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    Posted: 07 May 2009 at 3:29pm
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I'm not sure I understand your point? Are you saying it's o.k. for the secular government of the United States to pass laws based on religious doctrine because the taxpayers, or at least some of them, hold a particular belief, and the secular government should bend to their will, but when that occurs in say, Jordan, then it's an Islamic government showing bias?  
 
I think these are 2 separate issues.  One is murder of an adult person and the use of honor killings allowing for lesser penalties for the murderer.
 
No taxpayer funds are being used to kill the honor killing victim.
 
Stem cell research is using money from taxpayers to do the killing. 
 
There are laws against murder even in secular governments-  When does life start?
 
It doesn't matter what the issues are, the point is that religious views are resulting in laws being passed in both countries. 
 
 


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I'm not sure I understand your point? Are you saying it's o.k. for the secular government of the United States to pass laws based on religious doctrine because the taxpayers, or at least some of them, hold a particular belief, and the secular government should bend to their will, but when that occurs in say, Jordan, then it's an Islamic government showing bias?  
 
I think these are 2 separate issues.  One is murder of an adult person and the use of honor killings allowing for lesser penalties for the murderer.
 
No taxpayer funds are being used to kill the honor killing victim.
 
Stem cell research is using money from taxpayers to do the killing. 
 
There are laws against murder even in secular governments-  When does life start?
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Bush was agaisnt embryonic stem cell research not adult stem cell research.
 
"scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology." -
no cures or treatnments have come from embryonic stem cell research.
 
In Islam himosexuality is not allowed.  Isn't ihomosexuality punished for religious reasons?  I know in Iran thousands have been executed for being gay.  I'm not sure what your point is here.

"We believe life begins at the moment of conception," said USCCB spokesperson Sr. Mary Ann Walsh. "Stem-cell research involves the taking of a human life."

So you feel the peoples belief of these people should be tossed aside- and their tax money used to kill what they believe to be human life?
 
You really don't get the point? Let me spell it out for you. Does this post look familiar:
 
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But attempts to introduce harsher sentences have been blocked in Jordan's parliament, where the predominantly conservative Bedouin legislators argue that tougher penalties would lead to adultery."
 
to which I stated:
 
"Yes, much the same as laws regarding stem cell research, same sex marriage, and sex education were blocked and are being blocked by the conservative Republicans in the U.S. who think that such laws would/will lead to fetuses being killed, the end of civilization as we know it, and rampant teen sex...... in that order."  
 
Do you get the point now?
 

"So you feel the peoples belief of these people should be tossed aside- and their tax money used to kill what they believe to be human life?"

I'm not sure I understand your point? Are you saying it's o.k. for the secular government of the United States to pass laws based on religious doctrine because the taxpayers, or at least some of them, hold a particular belief, and the secular government should bend to their will, but when that occurs in say, Jordan, then it's an Islamic government showing bias?  


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Really it is too bad stem cell research isn't decided state by state- that way a state with the majority of Christian voters could choose to work with adult stem cells and a state with atheist, Muslim voters could do what ever.
 
My daughter is a Type 1 Diabetic- she says she will never kill an embryo to use stem cells.


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Bush was agaisnt embryonic stem cell research not adult stem cell research.
 
"scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology." -
no cures or treatnments have come from embryonic stem cell research.
 
In Islam himosexuality is not allowed.  Isn't ihomosexuality punished for religious reasons?  I know in Iran thousands have been executed for being gay.  I'm not sure what your point is here.

"We believe life begins at the moment of conception," said USCCB spokesperson Sr. Mary Ann Walsh. "Stem-cell research involves the taking of a human life."

So you feel the peoples belief of these people should be tossed aside- and their tax money used to kill what they believe to be human life?
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Shasta, you really need to do more research on this topic - "Yes, much the same as laws regarding stem cell research, same sex marriage, and sex education were blocked and are being blocked by the conservative Republicans in the U.S. who think that such laws would/will lead to fetuses being killed, the end of civilization as we know it, and rampant teen sex...... in that order. "
 
Actually there has been much more success with mature stem cell research then ever thought possible.  Also there is not the chance of immune rejection and no need for immune supressing drugs.
 
There is same sex marriage in Islam?
 
I think you have that wrong, Christians need to do more research on this topic, I think stem cell research is great. However many Christians, including our last president,  think it is evil:
 

Bush stands firm against US stem-cell bill

The US Senate Wednesday voted in favor of funding stem-cell research on human embryos, but President George W. Bush promptly vowed to veto the bill which has incensed Christian conservatives....

..."This bill crosses a moral line that I and many others find troubling," Bush said. "If it advances all the way through Congress to my desk, I will veto it."

"I believe this will encourage taxpayer money to be spent on the destruction or endangerment of living human embryos -- raising serious moral concerns for millions of Americans."....

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Bush_stands_firm_against_US_stem_ce_04112007.html
 
Catholic Church, Evangelical Christian team up against stem-cell research in CA
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San Francisco, Calif., Sep 3, 2004 / 12:00 am (CNA).- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and a wealthy evangelical Christian are the major funders to date of a campaign against a California ballot measure that would fund stem-cell research and cloning in the state, reported The Associated Press.

Each contributed $50,000 this week to separate campaign groups, which have raised $115,000 combined. Ballot measure supporters have raised about $12 million.

The measure, which is listed on the Nov. 2 ballot as Proposition 71, would have the state borrow $3 billion to pay for the controversial research.

"We believe life begins at the moment of conception," said USCCB spokesperson Sr. Mary Ann Walsh. "Stem-cell research involves the taking of a human life."

As a result, the USCCB contributed $50,000 to a new campaign committee, called Californians Against Loan and Clone, created by the Catholic Church of California.

Evangelical Christian Howard Ahmanson Jr. made a $50,000 contribution to the official opposition campaign group called Doctors, Patients & Taxpayers for Fiscal Responsibility.

As heir to a savings and loan fortune, Ahmanson finances many Christian organizations and non-denominational think tanks, including the Seattle-based Discovery Institute, which disputes much of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, reported the AP.

Some women's groups also oppose the research because of its insatiable need for fertilized eggs, most of which are now donated by fertility clinics with surplus supplies."

and lobbied successfully against it. It is only now with Obama in office that the ban on this research is being reversed...
 

Obama Reverses Course, Lifts Stem Cell Ban

President Signs Executive Order Approving Federal Funds for Stem Cell Research

By DAN CHILDS and LISA STARK
March 9, 2009
 
In what has been interpreted as a direct rebuke of former President George W. Bush, President Obama said today that his administration would make "scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology."
 
Enlightenment at last....
See how religious beliefs can affect the "secular" government of even the United States?
 
There is no same sex marriage in Islam, but what does that have to do with it being banned for religious reasons in the U.S.?
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Shasta, you really need to do more research on this topic - "Yes, much the same as laws regarding stem cell research, same sex marriage, and sex education were blocked and are being blocked by the conservative Republicans in the U.S. who think that such laws would/will lead to fetuses being killed, the end of civilization as we know it, and rampant teen sex...... in that order. "
 
Actually there has been much more success with mature stem cell research then ever thought possible.  Also there is not the chance of immune rejection and no need for immune supressing drugs.
 
There is same sex marriage in Islam?
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Shasta- No because it is tied up in religion in one country and secular law in another.  In the US there is separation of church and state.  Jordan is a Muslim country- 90 % of the country is Muslim, as are the legislators.
 
From the article.
But attempts to introduce harsher sentences have been blocked in Jordan's parliament, where the predominantly conservative Bedouin legislators argue that tougher penalties would lead to adultery.
 
 
Yes, much the same as laws regarding stem cell research, same sex marriage, and sex education were blocked and are being blocked by the conservative Republicans in the U.S. who think that such laws would/will lead to fetuses being killed, the end of civilization as we know it, and rampant teen sex...... in that order.  
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