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Originally posted by Salome Salome wrote:

    Well I don't know where you live at, but I currently live in Vermont USA and there aren't very many jungles here........LOL    
     I'm sorry I couldn't resist, please forgive me.Embarrassed



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Thanks bro for letting us know, otherwise your Avtar doesn't seem to relate you from anywhere on the earth.
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Asalaamu alaikum:
I have been reading this thread with great interest, I also have found an interesting article at http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/


Here is an excerpt:'"  Luk was with a team of medical students doing a research project on the effects of diet on stomach and intestinal diseases such as trichinosis.  The research team�s method was to go to the hospitals and dissect corpses for autopsies. They based their studies on the diets of the various ethnic communities in the region.  Their research uncovered the finding of the ethnic community with the highest percentage of cases with the trichinella spiralis worm belonged to a race that had pork as its main staple diet.  Their research data showed a remarkably low percentage of Jews and Moslems with the trichinella spiralis worm in their bodies.  It is significant that these two ethnic communities exclude pork and other biblically unclean meats in their diet.:

And getting back to the subject, Swine flu, no you cannot catch this by eating swine, but you can catch other nasty diseases. Click on the link and read for yourself.

Actually, the flu is only called swine flu because it had been found at one time in Swine in another part of the world. When an "A" designated  virus mutates and enters into another species and then is transmitted back it brings with it an ability to outwit the original species in which it  initially existed. Hence the increased reports of death. You have more deaths related in a year to the ill effects of eating swine than to catching the flu virus  that is associated with it. You have a greater chance of picking the virus up from air transmission than you do eating it. And, wash that nasty telephone at work! You never know who is breathing on it!
This virus on the average can only live 2 hours on a dead surface. Washing hands, cover your nose when you sneeze or cough, stay out of densely populated contained areas such as a small enclosed trolley, open your windows and air out your house. And wash and wash your hands again, and if you are sick do not go to work!

So please stay healthy so that I do not get called into an emergency nurses meeting because some bug becomes pandemic. Alhamdullillah, the only thing that can get across the us-mexico border right now is the traficonarcoticos...maybe they dreamed this up to keep La Migra busy. All I know is that I am stuck here and can not go home and my husband is there on the rancho and I am stuck here in town with my mother in law and 2 sons for company. Inshallah all will remain healthy and this scare will pass....




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Salome Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2009 at 6:51pm
    Well I don't know where you live at, but I currently live in Vermont USA and there aren't very many jungles here........LOL    
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Well I am thinking as to why the originator is enquiring about the pigs and dogs only? why not asked similar questions about other beasts out there in the Jungles? This is especially interesting because they have not been mentioned in Quran and yet we, the humans, don't eat them. One thought could be that these animals are not as easily be domesticated or breeded as the pigs are. Therefore, Allah provided explicit instructions about the pigs and not about other animals. However, one must note that the prohibition is for eating its meat only. But most Muslims, including myself, stigmatise the animal to great extremes, which I think is not the right thing to do.
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    In speaking to my husband he looked up the H1N1, this happen to also be in the great spanish flu epidemic in the early 1900's. This at the time was the deadliest plague in history.

The world had struggled through four years of terrible warfare. But now it was over, the threat was removed and mankind was safe again. But not for long. For in the middle of 1918 a new killer was silently spreading it�s way through people�s lives. It started out as a simple case of the flu. But it worsened, until it became deadly. It would do its work with lethal efficiency. Often the victim would be dead within hours of contracting the disease

. The virus would cause the body to hemorrhage, the lungs would fill with liquid and the patient would drown in their own fluids.

The Spanish Flu actually originated in Tibet in 1917. As the armies of various nations moved across the continents the flu spread with them. Before long cases were showing up in Europe. When it hit France, it changed its character, becoming malignant as it was contracted by African soldiers who had been recruited into the French army.

After establishing a stronghold in France, the flu moved into Spain. Spain was a neutral player in the First World War. For that reason it had no need to censor the illness from its people in order to keep them focused on the war effort. The Spanish press, then, fully documented the illness, along with its terrible life taking effects on the human body.

The fever would affect a person in the following way:

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(1) high fevers, shivers, coughs, muscular pain and sore throat,

(2) Tiredness and dizzy spells

(3) Loss of strength to the point of not being able to eat or drink without assistance

(4) Difficulty in breathing

(5) Death

The Epidemic spread quickly around the earth. In all, some 525 million people were infected by the virus, with about 21 million people dying. That was more than twice the number who had been killed during the Great War. In many countries public gatherings were forbidden. The Flu was especially devastating on many people as they welcomed back their men from the war, overjoyed that they had managed to survive the slaughter that was the war. But their joy soon turned to grief when they found out that their men had brought the virus back with them, and it would not only kill them but also other family members.

The Spanish flu struck the United States with a vengeance. In fact, over a quarter of all Americans were hit with the virus. In New York City alone some 33,000 people died. In San Diego, California city officials imposed the precaution that everyone had to wear gauze masks when within the city of San Diego. Masks of four-ply surgical gauze which were tied around the mouth and nose were given out to all residents of the city. Not surprisingly, the law was less than popular with the local citizenry. Holes would be cut in the masks to enable people to smoke. Women would wear the masks as a veil, letting them hang loose around their necks. Civil libertarians fought the law on the grounds that it was unconstitutional. The penalty for disregarding the law was a fine of one hundred dollars and thirty days in jail.

President Woodrow Wilson himself contracted a mild dose of the flu while he was in Paris working out the details of the Treaty of Versailles. It is believed that if Wilson had not been so ill, the Treaty conditions would not have been so harsh and the Second World War may have been averted.

An unusual aspect of the Spanish flu was that, rather than attacking those with weak immunity systems, it tended to target the young and healthy members of society. This was a complete reversal of the normal pattern with influenza, which normally attacked the old, the infirm and the young. But now it was those in the prime of life who were being targeted. These were the people who were responsible for the day-to-day organizational matters of people�s daily lives. With them felled by illness, it must have seemed that society was falling apart.

As quickly as the Spanish Flu came to plague mankind it disappeared. It briefly reappeared in March 1919. This time, however, the world was better prepared and the virus could be quarantined. Again it disappeared after inflicting a rapid death toll. The world was glad to see the back of it.




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Edited by Salome - 30 April 2009 at 5:21pm
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Seekshidayath thank you for the link as well as welcoming me to the forum. But even with the slaughter of cows and other animals that are permissible in Islam, there is no guarantee that all impurities are let out of the body even if the blood has exited the body. there are certain pathogens (i.e. bacteria) that are indeed in the deep tissues of the animal animal that requires the meat to be cooked at a certain temparture, which, according to your previous statements I'm sure you are aware of. but then again, I'm not too knowledgable as to how exactly this process is in the Muslim meat markets so I'll stop there, but thanks for the read.

Edited by Gibbs - 30 April 2009 at 8:49am
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Hi Gibbs,
Welcome to IC


This is the result of not following God's commands.
 
This particular form of influenza has been around (and have been mutating) for quite some time.

Perhaps if this animal is not reared in full scale, there is a possibility that whatever viruses that are in them would not have spread so far and wide.

By the way, I read this interesting article about this latest pandemic. Noting that our world is led by evil conspirators, I have no reason not to believe this. Anyway it is up to individual opinion.

(NaturalNews) Perhaps due to the genetic makeup of the fast-spreading H1N1 strain of influenza -- which includes genetic elements from bird flu, swine flu and human flu spanning three continents -- there is considerable speculation that the origins of this virus are man-made.

It's not an unreasonable question to ask: Could world governments, spooked by the prospect of radical climate change caused by over-population of the planet, have assembled a super-secret task force to engineer and distribute a super virulent strain of influenza designed to "correct" the human population (and institute global Martial Law)?

Technically, it's possible. The U.S. military, all by itself, has the know-how to engineer and unleash such a virus. That doesn't mean they've done so, however. It would be an astonishing leap into crimes against humanity to intentionally unleash such a biological weapon into the wild.

Then again, governments of the world have routinely engaged in crimes against humanity, haven't they? The U.S., for example, dropped nuclear bombs on civilian populations in Japan. Israel rained white phosphorous on Palestinians, Hitler exterminated countless Jews, and Americans fired millions of rounds of depleted uranium rounds into targets in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unleashing a viral biological weapon in Mexico City is no great leap beyond what governments have already done to achieve their goals.

Throughout human history, virtually all the great crimes against humanity have been carried out by governments -- mostly in the name of peace, prosperity and security, by the way. So let's be clear about one thing: Governments are certainly capable of doing this if properly motivated. Let there be no question about that.

Is there any hard evidence of laboratory origins?

As of this moment, I have not personally seen any conclusive evidence of laboratory origins for this H1N1 swine flu. I am open to the possibility that new evidence may emerge in this direction, however, and I am suspicious of the genetic makeup of the virus as one possible indicator of its origins.

I am not a medical specialist in the area of infectious disease, but I have studied microbiology, genetics and a considerable amount of material on pandemics. What seems suspicious to me is the hybrid origin of the viral fragments found in H1N1 influenza. According to reports in the mainstream media (which has no reason to lie about this particular detail), this strain of influenza contains viral code fragments from:

� Human influenza
� Bird Flu from North America
� Swine flu from Europe
� Swine flu from Asia

This is rather astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North America would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross-species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird flu elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs -- in Mexico! -- and spread it to others. (This isn't the only explanation of how it could have happened, but it is one scenario that gives you an idea of the complexity of such a thing happening).
http://www.naturalnews.com/026141.html

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Originally posted by Gibbs Gibbs wrote:

I disagree with some of the poster(s) for several reasons:

One poster said:
 
A Muslim reasons that if the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human consumption the Creator would have provided it with a neck. 
 
I highly doubt God prohibits his followers to not eat a specific animal because it lacks this particular feature in its anatomy.
 
Hello Gibbs.
 
Welcome to IC,
 
You know this science behind slaughtering ?
 
 
 By this method of slaughtering , all the impurities are let out, while we cannot slaught a pig.
 
Another poster said:
 
If some people still do not believe that pork is indeed unhealthy for human consumption, I hope the latest virus will prove them wrong.
 
Then also said:
 
If only it affects those people who consumed it, its okay, but it is also affecting people like us Muslims.
 
So obviously you cannot contract swine flu if you consume pork, therefore the above two remarks are wrong. Swine Influenza (swine flu) is a respiratory disease of pigs caused by type A influenza virus that regularly causes outbreaks of influenza in pigs (Center for Disease Control [CDC], 2009).
 
This is the result of not following God's commands.
 
This particular form of influenza has been around (and have been mutating) for quite some time.
 
Am sure, this sister, would delete her post. Moreover, she was corrected by Semar.
 
 
 


Edited by seekshidayath - 29 April 2009 at 7:21pm
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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