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Sister Nausheen, yeh shaqs bahot thang karr raha hai. Though its easy to answer him but needs lots of time. He's all been at the section {two-three threads} that he's active. His sharings are very similar to anti-islamic site.
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Originally posted by owen.grandison owen.grandison wrote:


So you see waraqa (muhammad's main man and interpreter) was a roman catholic, originally from tama-re, descended from ancient egyptian stock.  He converted to christianity in constantinople, turkey and followed the augustine doctrine and studied what you muhammadsn arecalling the injiyl "evangel, revelation," until he thoroughyly mastered it.  Waraqa bin naufal also mastered the torah and was the undle of khadija (555-619 A.D.), muhammad's first wife as previously said.  Waraqa had told his cristian uncle, khadiyjah who was also a rich christian an ex-nun that muhammad will be the awaited "prophet", whome they had selected and that he will be used for the plot to manipulate all the arabs of arabia and control its trad; thus eventually waraqa taught him a lot about christianity.  Ubaydallah continued to search until the new religion islam held its own.  He was among those arabs who later migrated to abyssinia taking with him his wife  umm habiba bint abu sufyaan (who converted to christianity).
 
Either you are copying from somewhere, and there are terrible editing mistakes, or you are writing yourself without having read all of your source. Can you please explain the following:-
 
Waraqa had told his cristian uncle, khadiyjah who was also a rich christian an ex-nun ...
 
Who was the christian Uncle of Waraq ... did I miss anything from your story?
 
You did not tell us when Waraqa died. Can you please confirm those dates, thank you.
 
btw, Khadija (radiallahu anha) was a widow not sure if she was a nun ... how do you know that?
 
Originally posted by owen.grandison owen.grandison wrote:

Originally muhammad followed the rites of abraham which was not islam the religion or rites of abraham would had been the worship of baal, then later on alyuwn alyuwn el-the most high.  This is something totally false that you muhammadans try to tie in abraham who hasn't of yet been proven to have existed.  His indoctrination changed since the time he met khadijah then HIS RELIGION CHANGED.  Khadijah implanted christianity into islam by way of her cousin waraqa.  Being that waraq was able to manipulate and shape muhammad's thinking CHRISTIANITY was weaved into his own laws and traditions and paved the way to a new found religion - ISLAM.  Remember the catholic church was influenced by MANES, A PERSIAN, AND ROMAN, GNOSTIC, PAGANISTIC DOCTRINATIONS, WHICH BECAME PART OF ISLAM!
 
Okay let us say that Warqa was a converted christian, who taught Muhammad (sallallahu alaihe wasallam) christianity ... If this is true, how and why did Islam come in picture? When Warqa was teaching him christianity, who introduced "founded" Islam? and why?
 
Originally posted by owen.grandison owen.grandison wrote:

So its true when people say, "muhammad was the founder of islam"; the made up religion called islam which has been further perverted into idol worshipping, called "muhammadism."  You worship him as you would worship allah who you call "father. 
 
 
Today Islam is the only religion on earth that condemns the worship of human beings. At least you agree that Muhammad (sallalllahu alaihe wasallam) was a human being - conceived and born between a father and a mother.
 
We don't worship him. Have you ever heard of the word "shirk" - it means attributing partners to the Allah - in simpler words, worshipping other than the One and Only God.
 
We are the only religious group existing on earth who does not uphold these practices as holy.
 
Originally posted by owen.grandison owen.grandison wrote:

In turn people eventually began calling the creator "father," ab; as in the cae of the lord's prayer - "our father ", abanaa.  And although the scroll of malachi 4:6, says "and he (eloheem yahuwa, elijah) will return the hearts compassionately of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers..."; muhammad with the help of the qur'aan changed that and began turning children away from their fathers (qur'aan 9:23).  By doing this the name, rabb "master", sustainer" was used in reference to the name of allah which he still got from the hewbrews or jews.  Although he deterred them from calling allah as well as himself "father " he told them to follow his teachings.  However, you ended up looking to him as a father figure anyway giving him reverence and adoration as our ancestors did with teraphims to the point of worshipping him right beside allah.

 
And all of this is because your source of the verse says;  he is not the father of any of them.
 
while the verse says;  he is not the father of any of their men.
- None of his male children survived to adulthood, so you can understand this as his generation did not carry on as of others from a male offspring.
 
Also we don't worship the One and Only God as "Father" of mankind.
For Muslims He is understood as the "Creator" of mankind and everything apart from Him.
 
Can you please tell what exactly you are angry at? Im trying to understand through your posts, but cannot really decodify. If you could please spell it out more clearly, it would be easier for us to address.
 
Thank you for your contributions to our discussion forum!


 


Edited by Nausheen - 11 March 2009 at 12:47am
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Originally posted by seekshidayath seekshidayath wrote:

Sister Nausheen, yeh shaqs bahot thang karr raha hai. Though its easy to answer him but needs lots of time. He's all been at the section {two-three threads} that he's active. His sharings are very similar to anti-islamic site.
 
Iska kya karna chahiye?
 
Hamein to iski batein kafi mazakhiya lag rahi hain ... I hardly read any anti- websites.
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Originally posted by owen.grandison owen.grandison wrote:



Despite your own writings, the orthodox sunni muslims do not give the christians credit for being knowledgeable enough in the scriptures which came before the qur'aan to foretell and plan the propethood of muhammad as you have just read.


 
Excuse me, there is no knowledgeable Sunni Muslim, or for that matter even the shia who will not believe that Bahira or Warqa were Christians.
 
It is only the Christians and the Jews who don't give credit to the knowledge of Bahira and Warqa.
According to your own story they were plotting something.
 
Muhammad sallallahu alaihe wasallam never accepted paganism which was common in arabia in his time. There were very few Jews or christians at that times. Many of them who recognised the prophesies of their own scripture accept him as the prophet of God and accepted Islam.
 
Are to telling us what Sunnis believe, or you are confirming from us?
If you are trying to educate us about these stories, we already know them :-)
 
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Originally posted by savant savant wrote:

Once Hazrat Umer (Prophet Sallho-alihe Wassalam companion) was reading old testimonials at the moment Prophet came. And he teaches Umer that in existance Quran all past books are obselete now. All the orders and guidelines are cancelled.
 
So it will be useless effort by christian teachers to taught gospel to Muslims.


Where does it say in the qur'aan the injiyl is tampered with.
Where does it say this in the qur'aan.  To make it easier for you i will tell you all the places in the qur'aan the word injiyl can be found:

the qur'aan: 3:3, 48, 65, 5:49,50,69,71,113, 7:157,9:111,48:29,57:27

So if it does not say that the injiyl is tampered with why don't you orthodox sunni muslims read it?  Not the torah as you say the jews changed, altered or tampered with but show us any place in the qur'aan where it says the christians tampered with, altered or changed the injiyl.  If you can't you better start reading allah's book.
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This person is wasting time. Koi kaam di gaal pochay tay bandaa chaloo jawab bi dewaaay. do chaar hoor vi hegaay naay isaaay; vellay Smile
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Koi baat nahi, sabr se jawab tho dena hoga, warna naye readers sonchege ki Islam mein iska jawab nahi. Bata dein ki hum issay bhi chaloo hai.
 
By the way, Owen.g, that was not the point of  discussion. Your topic, contradicts completely with your question. Anyways, i wish you would have seeked helped of any muslim, while studying Qur'an . Else all these doubts would n't get so firm. Anyways, its not late. YOu can ask us, anything you don't understand, but in a better manner.
 
If you had studied Qur'an, you must have come across the words "People of Book", right !
 
People of Book are both bestowed with Books { Torah and Injeel}. Now, go thru it with this understanding, insha Allah, you shall get your answers.
 
By the way, are you now satisfied that Waraqah was n't teacher of Muhammad {Peace be upon him} ?
 
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The blashemous 17th century inscription found in the magazine called "aramco world," the september-october 1989 A.D. issue reads "muhammad is the guide".  One of your god's/allah's name is "the guide" the 94th attribute which is not to be attributed to mortals as it says in the qur'aan!  (al qur'aan 7:180, 59:24) to call the prophet muhammad "al haadi" is t ocall him allah.  You muhammadsn have given muhammad attributes in previous scriptures thanks again to the vatican such as mukhtaar meaning "chosen or elect" (isaiah 42:1), al mu'izziy meaning "the comforter (john 15:26), ruwhul haqq "the spirti of truth," (john 16:13)

These are his self mad attribues for himself.  However muhammadans has compiled a listing of 104 attributes for the prophet muhammad which is 5 MORE than those attributed to allah.  My master teacher published this list in edition 124, beginner's arabic, simplified arabic reading," pages 45-47 and muslim creeds, scroll 71.  This isan example of "muhammad worship" evident more than 300 years ago.  You all have been worshipping a man all along and you will go to your hell for this according to your qur'aan for it is a great sin to bind partners with allah as you say.
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