The problem with SOME women

As'Salaamu Alaikum brothers,

I intend on making this discussion solely for BROTHERS ONLY but I understand the need for women to add their two cents in. I first have to say before anything comes out of my mouth is that women are God's most beautiful creatures and that they are indeed a blessing to mankind. They are indeed the maintainers of our society and the shoulders in which the world is held upon. However, I believe there is a growing problem among some women in our community. I believe that Western soceity has an effect on the spiritual ideologies of our women.

Since 9/11 Western feminism has looked at the Afghan women with sadness and has since, helped the Afghan women struggle to their feet in freedom and independence. It has come with a price. We all have to understand that Western culture is different from all other cultures. It has taken many generations for women to gain rights, and unfortunately it came at the expense of lives of many brave women. The problem with feminism is that it extends beyond its own definition and is over analytical of culture.

Many Muslim feminist (and I can name one here) who believe that not only women get equal rights but in marriage should share power and have equal footing as men. Everything in feminism is equal, equal, equal. Funny in the decleration of Independence it says "All men are created equal." On a macrocosmic scale this however is true, all of mankind is equal in the eyes of God. But on a microcosmic scale this is not so.

All men and women are not equal. All men are not equal because not all men's body are proportional equal. Not all of men are equal in height. Not all men are equal in behavior. The smae can be said for women. This also can extened in relationships. As the Qur'an said men are the protectors of women. This same concept is also true in the animal kingdom. Before a lion mates he must first show is courage and power and must thus fight off other competing lions for the sake of the woman. The winner gets the spoils of battle which is the woman. However barbaric it sounds this to a lesser extent is the reality of humanity. Too many women are breaking away from the naturality of human behavior and are taking a more radical approach by not associating with this concept.

When women argue culture they argue based on pre-conceived bias notions and not on objectivity. When women look at other women practicing their faith (or perhaps their culture) they look at disgust and are thus strangers in the unknown world of foreign culture. Not all women of course but those who claim to have free and equal minds. Under the illusion of feminism they claim that independece and independent think is objective but when one views another culture it is not objective.

I have to say I'm sick of women complaining about what other women do or behave because if the world was perfect we all would agree. I can cite many Muslim women in Africa are have been mistreated and though, I have cited these incident numerous times it has never changed anything. I pray that God will judge the right and condemn the wrong. To you women who claim to fight for injustice please take your illusions elsewhere.

I'm glad someone agrees, it is mostly aimed at women who complain. I know for sure that I definitely will not marry a woman who complains. I believe complaining women who sit and complain are not ambitious as the ones who complain but are ambitious to make change. I am sad that many Muslim women have gotten to this point thanks to liberal feminist.

As'Salaamu alaikum sister Ummziba,

Your opinion is much appreciated here and though it was for the brothers I'm glad you made some additions to the forum post. I will make a response (not contrary to yours because I obviously agree) but I have to clean up the house right now but I will come back and comment.

Israfil wrote: As'Salaamu Alaikum brothers, I intend on making this discussion solely for BROTHERS ONLY but I understand the need for women to add their two cents in. I first have to say before anything comes out of my mouth is that women are God's most beautiful creatures and that they are indeed a blessing to mankind. They are indeed the maintainers of our society and the shoulders in which the world is held upon. However, I believe there is a growing problem among some women in our community. I believe that Western soceity has an effect on the spiritual ideologies of our women. Since 9/11 Western feminism has looked at the Afghan women with sadness and has since, helped the Afghan women struggle to their feet in freedom and independence. It has come with a price. We all have to understand that Western culture is different from all other cultures. It has taken many generations for women to gain rights, and unfortunately it came at the expense of lives of many brave women. The problem with feminism is that it extends beyond its own definition and is over analytical of culture. Many Muslim feminist (and I can name one here) who believe that not only women get equal rights but in marriage should share power and have equal footing as men. Everything in feminism is equal, equal, equal. Funny in the decleration of Independence it says "All men are created equal." On a macrocosmic scale this however is true, all of mankind is equal in the eyes of God. But on a microcosmic scale this is not so. All men and women are not equal. All men are not equal because not all men's body are proportional equal. Not all of men are equal in height. Not all men are equal in behavior. The smae can be said for women. This also can extened in relationships. As the Qur'an said men are the protectors of women. This same concept is also true in the animal kingdom. Before a lion mates he must first show is courage and power and must thus fight off other competing lions for the sake of the woman. The winner gets the spoils of battle which is the woman. However barbaric it sounds this to a lesser extent is the reality of humanity. Too many women are breaking away from the naturality of human behavior and are taking a more radical approach by not associating with this concept. When women argue culture they argue based on pre-conceived bias notions and not on objectivity. When women look at other women practicing their faith (or perhaps their culture) they look at disgust and are thus strangers in the unknown world of foreign culture. Not all women of course but those who claim to have free and equal minds. Under the illusion of feminism they claim that independece and independent think is objective but when one views another culture it is not objective. I have to say I'm sick of women complaining about what other women do or behave because if the world was perfect we all would agree. I can cite many Muslim women in Africa are have been mistreated and though, I have cited these incident numerous times it has never changed anything. I pray that God will judge the right and condemn the wrong. To you women who claim to fight for injustice please take your illusions elsewhere.

 

Well, let me be the first to add my 2 cents. First you are negative by adding the little qipp about the 2 cents and then turn around and praise us. What a contradiction you make. Secondly, you as a man cannot hope to even understand what a woman let alone millions of women think or feel. Also, have you ever even taken the time to ask a woman how she feels spiritually besides your mother?

And let me get this straight. Western Feminism helping the Afghan women gain rights and independance is a bad thing? These women should have been kept oppressed and uneducated because........why? And over analytical of culture? Culture is what hurts religion. Culture is what is practiced first anywhere in the world then comes the religion. And usually culture incorporates religion not religion incoporates culture.

Also, when the constitution says that all men are created equal under God it means that MEN are the whole of the human race, not just a man or men in general. And no, all men and women are not physically equal but mentally they can be. Oh! And let's talk about the animal kingdom. Maybe you do not watch enough nature shows. In the Lion kingdom the female still chooses if she wants the male lion even after the fight. Please, do me a favor and research this. And once the female accepts to be part of the group then the fat lazy male lion sits in the sun while the female hunts and attacks prey. So, whom is really taking care of whom here? Also, to liken Human women to the animal kingdom is not only rediciolous it is DISGUSTING. And saying that women are getting away from this concept shows that you not only do not like women, you do not respect them very much either. God created us different from animals when he gave us the ability to think and reason. And you think women should be more like animals with their thinking and behavior?

Also, again, everyone who has any religion at all believes that their religion and cultrue is the best.  Muslims look at the USA with disgust for their culture and religious beliefs and The USA looks at the Islamic nations with disgust for their culture and religious beliefs. There is no justice in ignorance.

And if you are sick of women complaining then stop listening. But, of course, you are the only one that God has give the gift to to understand what all women think and feel in their cultures and religion and in spiritual matters, right?

And what, pray tell, do you believe the injustices that women are fighting for are?

 

Lameese