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    Posted: 22 March 2009 at 12:29am
Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

Assalamu alaikum.

Nazarene deciphered:
jesus was no jew . he was an isralite. there's a diffrence. he said the jews were also " lost"
Response: (1) Philologically No!. Jesus was a Jew because the name as testified by the OT and the holy Qur'an applied to the Children of Israel alive after the return of captivity. (11) Jesus was not a Jew as he was from the tribe of Levi. (111) Allah did not call Jesus a Jew but a Muslim bowing to the covenant of his forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, Ishamel and Jacob. (1v) Jesus was the first to preach the holy Qur'an.
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Where do you get your information from Jesus was from the tribe of Judah not Levi and what you want to assume that Curran was written in Jesus's time if he was the first to preach the quran, then what happened to first century Muslims
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 March 2009 at 12:52pm
Hi everyone,
based on what I read so far its seems clear:
 
1) that Jesus, according to the Bible did not bring a new religion or doctrine rather was bringing back people to follow what was already there with them in practice honestly and purely.
 
2) Trinity was never a principle of Jewish teachings nor any teachings ever known to mankind.
 
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 March 2009 at 12:09am
Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

Assalamu alaikum.

Nazarene deciphered:
jesus was no jew . he was an isralite. there's a diffrence. he said the jews were also " lost"
Response: (1) Philologically No!. Jesus was a Jew because the name as testified by the OT and the holy Qur'an applied to the Children of Israel alive after the return of captivity. (11) Jesus was not a Jew as he was from the tribe of Levi. (111) Allah did not call Jesus a Jew but a Muslim bowing to the covenant of his forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, Ishamel and Jacob. (1v) Jesus was the first to preach the holy Qur'an.
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"JEW OT Words - yehuCdiC ~YDIwHYi, 3064~]

YDIwHYi yehuCdiC is derived patronymically from the term HDFwHYi yehuCdaMh (i.e., Judah) and is translated "Jew" or more precisely "man from, or inhabitant of Judah." The term occurs around eighty times, and is used only from the exilic period onward. Previously, the inhabitants of Judah were referred to generally as "Israelites" or "sons of Israel."

Mundane usage of the term in a narrative context is found, for example, in 2 Kgs. 16:6; 25:25; Neh. 1:2; Esth. 3:10; 4:3ff.; 8:1ff.; 9:1ff.; Jer. 32:12; 52:28ff. In the prophetic context of Zech. 8:23, it is recorded that people will be drawn to the faith of the Jewish people, and Gentiles will take hold of the robe of a Jew, wishing to accompany him in worship of Yahweh.

NT Words - Ioudaios ~ �Ioudai�oj, 2453GKNUM>~]

�Ioudai�oj Ioudaios refers to a Jew, a person belonging to the Jewish race. The term occurs around two hundred times.

Mundane usage in narrative description is found in Matt. 28:15; Mark 7:3; Luke 7:3; John 3:1. The magi in Matt. 2:2 refer to Jesus as "King of the Jews"; the same title is used in Jesus� trial before Pontius Pilate (cf. Matt. 27:11; Mark 15:2ff.; Luke 23:3; John 18:33). The crowd mocks Jesus with this title (Matt. 27:29); and a sign with this ascription is placed on the cross above Jesus� head (cf. Matt. 27:37; Mark 15:26; Luke 23:38; John 19:19ff.). During the earthly ministry of Jesus, Jewish people were often hostile towards him (cf. John 2:18; 5:16ff.; 6:41; 7:1; 10:31ff.; 19:7). John 4:9 mentions the Jews� hatred of Samaritans.

Jewish opposition to the missionary enterprise of the apostle Paul is frequently alluded to in the book of Acts (cf. Acts 9:23; 13:45; 14:19; 20:3; 21:27; 23:12; 25:7). The early Christians were likewise despised by the Jewish community on the whole (cf. Acts 14:2; 17:1). Ironically, the Jewish people were initially the sole targets, or recipients, of Paul�s gospel preaching (cf. Acts 11:19; 13:5; 17:7). According to Paul, genuine "Jewishness" requires the process of "heart circumcision" to take place - that is, renewal of one�s heart attitude to God as revealed in the person of Christ (cf. Rom. 2:29). Rom. 10:12; Gal. 3:28 make it clear that there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile believers in the sight of God, who accepts all who call upon him in genuine faith, Jew and Gentile alike."-Expository Dictionary of Bible Words Ed. by S. D. Renn

 
Yes Jesus was a Jew, when Jesus was a young child, the astrologers came, inquiring: "Where is the one born king of the Jews?" (Mtthew 2:1, 2) On Jesus� torture stake Pilate put the title "Jesus the Nazarene the King of the Jews."�John 19:19.  "The King of The Jews" has to be a Jew.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 January 2009 at 1:33am
Assalamu alaikum.

Angela Posting: I like discussing with you for most of what you say is an explanation of the Teaching of Muhammad Rasulullah. May Allah bless you!. Now Muhammad Rasulullah is the only Quraysh whose lineage from both parents is traceable to Ismael and Abraham. I am now seriously contemplating that Muhammad Rasulullah from his mothers side and grandfather might have had cousins from the Chidren of Israel. Abdul Mutallab was a very influential man in Madina and likewise I think the Banu Qaynuqa (or one of the Jewish tribes). There could have been marriages rom the two groups. I also read the book of Mormon but did not pay too much attention to the contents.
The Children of Israel were specially chosn by Allah for teaching Islam to mankind and not for the purpose of them to be insulted and abused. No one is immune from the wrath and displeasure of Allah on doing what they did against the Message of Allah. This is the whole teaching of Muhammad. They should be pitied (if a good word to use) for unlike the followers of Muhammad their Shari'a ws lost for year about 5 centuries. They were only to read it on the sabbatical years. Only the Levi tribe were appointed as Priests and any tribe doing their job will be killed. So what do you expect from them? The holy Qur'an clearly mentioned that there were among them many that obeyed Musa. Probably no one committed any sin during the period of Joshua, except that one who disobeyed the Lord in the baltle of Ai. To abuse the Jews or hate them is indirectly abusing Allah and hating Him. The Qur'an on the other hand is protected from adulteration, alteration etc. But those reading it do not even understand its contents lest to invent a needle!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2009 at 3:41pm
well said angela, i see much truth reply , thank you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2008 at 11:54am
Originally posted by Hyposonic Hyposonic wrote:

<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">No offense Angela I find your post enlightening but also sad. With such a great being who possess unimaginable power we are still arguing about who is chosen. Why does God bless a certain people and not others? To me the Bible smells of ethnocentrism in my opinion.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN>



I think there is a difference between blessings and supremacy. Those who are obedient to God earn rewards in this life and in the next. Sometimes those blessings are so great that they follow the family.

Father Abraham had two sons, each of those two sons have expanded to millions and millions of people. People who don't even know they are descended of Father Abraham.

Now, there is a saying in the Book of Mormon over and over again "Wherefore, if ye shall be obedient to the commandments, and endure to the end, ye shall be saved at the last day.'

Blessings are not permanent...they can be taken away if you fall from Grace. In the Book of Mormon, the children of Nephi are told that as long as they keep the commandments they will prosper, but if they fall, they will dwindle. Thus, when they fell into wickedness they were destroyed.

Abraham's blessings were that his sons would build great nations and be blessed, but if those children, Israeli or Arab fail to obey God, they don't receive those blessings.

Its not about racism. Prophets have been blessed over and over, but is it not the truth that with few exceptions most of the Prophets are of the line of Abraham. I mean, I would not be shocked in the least if Muhammed (pbuh) was a direct descendant of Ishmael.

However, does this mean that an Indonesian cannot earn blessings. No, of course not. He has the ability just like everyone else. God is not a racist. He created us all. The Bible however, does smack of racism. I will not deny that. The Bible has sexism all through it too. Books labelled heresy by the early church talked about early Christian teachers being women and referred to Mary Magdalene, Martha and the Other Mary as disciples with the same status as the men. But, when the writings were gathered to the "official" collection known as the Bible, it was by men. And we all know that humans are fallible.

None of this changes the fact that in the Talmud, Bible and Quran, the blessings are described has being on the descendants of Abraham and Isaac. 37:113 in the Quran, but I recently read this whole chapter and the blessings are described for other prophets too.

"The Chosen" is an arrogant claim. We are all called and chosen of God. Its our responsibily to answer that call and deserve to be chosen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Abraham, Moses, Jesus all worshipped The One True God.
 
They submitted to the law of The Creator. So they were Muslims.
 
They were neither Jews nor Christians.
 
If people say that the Jesus was a Jew, then Jesus was worshipping to a god that was racist. And of course that was impossible. And some people say that he was a Christian. That is also an impossibility. Nothing in the Bible says that Jesus was a Christian or that the religion of Jesus was Christianity. Nothing!
 peace to all
  well said!
we teach are kids all men are created equal {but we'er the ones going to heaven and those over there are not.}
 
we say " god loves the rightious " {but only by OUR deffinition of the term}
 
i asked a beloved of mine why he was a baptist ,
he said: the others " didn't keep it right" .
 
i said :" but you use the same book "
he replied :" his church keeps to the { true interpetaion .}"
 
i said : but i thought the bible was the difinitive word?
he replied: it truly is the  difinitive
 
i said : according to your interpetaion.
 
leland
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 December 2008 at 7:46pm

No offense Angela I find your post enlightening but also sad. With such a great being who possess unimaginable power we are still arguing about who is chosen. Why does God bless a certain people and not others? To me the Bible smells of ethnocentrism in my opinion.

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