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Hi Ruhi. Its nice to know you are liking your time here on IC. Hopefully we will get to see you as one of the regular posters.
 
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Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

Assalamu alaikum.
 There is no evidence that Muhammad  ever performeed Istihara, neither his Sahabas. Allah says, "Then when you take a decision, put your trust in Allah, certanly Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him)". It was never the case that Muhammad said something without putting it into practice.
Frindship. 
 
What??? I'm appalled. Doubly, because noone else said anything.
 
 I *think* you mentioned yourself that one should 'read, read, read' and find things out etc.
 
Here is the Islamic position on Istikhara:
 
In Sahih Bukhari , (volume 2, hadith number 263 and again volume 9, hadith 487): Jabir bin Abdullah narrated:
 
The Prophet (sallallahu alehi wasallam) would teach us al-istikhara for all of our affairs as he would teach us a surah from the Qur�an. He said: �If one of you is deliberating over an act, he should pray two non-obligatory rak�at and say: �O Allah, I consult You as You are All-Knowing and I appeal to You to give me power as You are Omnipotent, I ask You for Your great favor, for You have power and I do not, and You know all of the hidden matters . O Allah ! If you know that this matter (then he should mention it) is good for me in my religion, my livelihood, and for my life in the Hereafter, (or he said: �for my present and future life,�) then make it (easy) for me. And if you know that this matter is not good for me in my religion, my livelihood and my life in the Hereafter, (or he said: �for my present and future life,�) then keep it away from me and take me away from it and choose what is good for me wherever it is and please me with it.�
 
Similar hadiths were reported by Jabir (r) in Sahih Bukhari (volume 8, hadith number 391). 
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Assalamu alaikum.
 
Yes the Hadith is there, but I am after its practical application, i.e. the Fiqh of the hadith. Imagine you saying to Allah, �O Allah, I consult You as You are All-Knowing and I appeal to You to give me power as You are Omnipotent, I ask You for Your great favor, for You have power and I do not, and You know all of the hidden matters . O Allah ! If you know that this matter (then he should mention it) is good for me in my religion, my livelihood, and for my life in the Hereafter, (or he said: �for my present and future life,�) then make it (easy) for me. And if you know that this matter is not good for me in my religion, my livelihood and my life in the Hereafter, (or he said: �for my present and future life,�) then keep it away from me and take me away from it and choose what is good for me wherever it is and please me with it.�, I do not find sense in that and it carries an element of disrespect. Any way, I am not disputing on the hadith.
Secondly, as I said earlier, whatever the holy Prophet commanded us, he showed us pratically how to do it and its accompanied Asbab. For example like ths salt of fear, drought, and eclipse. There were alot of incidents that could made the holy Prophet performed it as well as Abubakar, Umar Uthman and Ali etc, but no evidence that they ever performed it. I checked my Bukhari by Asqalani and commentary by Al-bani, I did not find the hadith to see their commentary.  Imam Ghazali mentiond it in his Ihya under Nawafil Arida. I understand Istihar to mean scientific experiments, inventions etc their goodness is certainly allowed by Allah and badness disallowed by Him.
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Isn't is just a prayer of discernment Friendship ? We don't always, if ever indeed, know the will of God in a given situation. So it's right to ask for discernment - guidance in choosing the better way. That's what I would see in it. You can be presented with a situation that seems very appealing, attractive in every way - but is really not 'good' for you in the longer term. In situations where the heart rules the head too. Discernment is important in any choice - situation.
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Assalamu alaikum.
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Prayer carrries the meaning of discernment, if we stick to its meaning according to the Sunna in that it must be performed according to the manner performed by the holy Prophet.  I will never do what the holy Prophet did not do practically. So the question that must be answered is when the holy Prophet performed it, or any of his Sabahas he told us to follow.
I was faced with difficult situations in my life as a physician and never prayed to Allah to show me how to treat the patient or whether the procedure I am taking will kill the patient. If I am faced with a problem I refer to my text books or consult a colleague or refer to a specialist. Likewise, if I am faced with an issue I refer to the time of Muhammad, or Abubakar, Umar, Uthman or Ali or Umar bin Abdul'azeez. Clearly Muhammad Rasulullah did not tell Muadth, or Ali, or any of his Sahabas to perform an Istakhara when faced with a problem but to look into the Book of Allah, or his Sunna or else for one make deductions. Lastly, I did not make any Istikhara but I knew that my father would likely have a heart attack when he travels to our home town. So I advised him not to go, but he went. On saturday, I received a phone call that he had a heart attack! After 4 weeks period of treatment, I knew that he will never recover and he died 9 months later.
Let us differentiate between incompetence, cowardice, complacencies and indetermination. Let us remember the excuse the hypocrites gave on their failure to attend the battle of Uhud. They said in Qur'an chapter 3:167, "Had we known that fighting will take place, we would certainly have followed you". 
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"I do not find sense in that and it carries an element of disrespect."
 
I am amazed that you find disrespect in asking Allah to show us guidance and to make us happy with what we receive.  Isn't all salat and dua virtually doing the same?  Do you find them senseless and disrespectful also?
 
From what I can read above about your father's heart attack, I think you misunderstand Istikhara and it's purpose. The Istikhara prayer doesn't tell you the future, it is asking guidance from Allah when you have a diffcult decision to make and are unsure which way to turn. 
 
So, are you saying as a Muslim you have never prayed to Allah about your chosen career, your life in general, any decision you make regarding patients, ...
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Assalamu alaikum Shastas Aunt.
 
 Isn't all salat and dua virtually doing the same?  Do you find them senseless and disrespectful also?
 
Answer: No!. Salat is an Ibadat commanded by Allah and taught to us by Prophet Muhammad. Salat purifies your soul and distants you from evils and indecencies. I told you the meaning of Dua: Salat and not asking something from Allah. The Mahal of Dua is Iman. 
  
 The Istikhara prayer doesn't tell you the future, it is asking guidance from Allah when you have a diffcult decision to make and are unsure which way to turn. 
 
Answer; Then in that case you must have a new Prophet. Remember your request in chapter 2:286, "Our Lord! Put not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Pardon us and grant us Forgiveness. Have mercy on us. You are our Maula and give us victory over the disbelievers". Where is the place of Istikhara?  To understand what I mean, please read about Tawakkal alal Lahi in Madaarijal Saalikiin by Al-Jawzi.
  
So, are you saying as a Muslim you have never prayed to Allah about your chosen career, your life in general, any decision you make regarding patients, ...
 
Answer: An Islamic scholar Muhammad Baghdadi said, anyone asking Allah for something is indirectly asking for a new Prophet and showing ingratitude to Him. He said when Prophet Ibrahim asked for a son, he was given and then commanded to slaughter him. This was indeed difficult. Yes, I always ask Allah for firdaus, but this can only be achieved by reading the Sunna and sticking to  it. Allah said in chapter 7:125, "And whomsoever Allah wills to guide, He opend his breast to Islam". To be empirical, I do not ask Allah for anything because I am on trial. You do not expect me to drive my car with a flat tyre or to be a polygamist!
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