Ali bin Abi Talib.

Wa'alikumasslam

please dont compare the Grandson of the Prophet (A.S) with anybody...because the grandson of the Prophet (a.s) are the "Leaders of the youths of Paradise" see: Tirmidhi, Vol. II, p. 221 ; تاريخ الخلفاء، ص189 .....thus this is a very inapropriate comparison....

secondly i rely only on scholars for tafseer and translations....i have no right to do it myself....

i will quote on of the tafsirs wich gives this fact:

{ إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ ٱلصَّلاَةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ ٱلزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ }


(Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe�) [5:55]. Said Jabir ibn �Abd Allah: ��Abd Allah ibn Sallam went to the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, and said: �O Messenger of Allah, some people from Banu Qurayzah and Banu�l-Nadir have deserted us and swore not to keep our company. And we cannot keep the company of your Companions due to the distance separating us�. He then complained about the bad treatment he received from the Jews, and so this verse was revealed. When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, read to him, he said: �We accept Allah, His Messenger and the believers as guardians� �. Al-Kalbi related something close to this and added that the end of the verse was revealed about �Ali ibn Abi Talib, for he gave his ring to a beggar while he was bowing during prayer. Abu Bakr al-Tamimi informed us> �Abd Allah ibn Muhammad ibn Ja�far> al-Husayn ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Hurayrah> �Abd Allah ibn �Abd al-Wahhab> Muhammad ibn al-Aswad> Muhammad ibn Marwan> Muhammad ibn al-Sa�ib> Abu Salih> Ibn �Abbas who said: �Accompanied by a group of believers from amongst his people, �Abd Allah ibn Sallam came to see the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace. They said: �O Messenger of Allah, our houses are very far and we have no assembly or a place in which we can gather for chatting. When our people saw that we believed in Allah and His Messenger and confirmed his call, they eschewed us and vowed never to keep our company, speak with us or marry from or into us. This has proved too hard for us�. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, replied: �(Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe)�, up to the end of the verse. Then the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, went out to the mosque. Some people were standing in prayer while others were bowing. He saw a beggar in the mosque and he asked him: �Did you get something from anyone?� The beggar replied: �Yes, I got a ring of gold�. The Prophet asked him: �Who gave it to you?� The beggar said: �That person who is standing in prayer�, and he pointed to �Ali ibn Abi Talib. The Prophet asked him again: �In which position did he give it to you?� The beggar said: �He gave it to me while bowing in prayer�. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said �Allah is the greatest!� and then recited (And whoso taketh Allah and His messenger and those who believe for guardian (will know that), lo! the party of Allah, they are the victorious)� [5:56].



http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=86&tSoraNo=5&tAyahNo=55&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0



i just wanted to show u dat i have not brought this up from my own pocket...i never do dat...

so according to the above tafseer, the Wali of People is Imam Ali (a.s).....a superior position than other people..

Edited by asda - 04 November 2008 at 8:47am

Wa'alaikumasalam...

the love for Imam Ali (a.s) is not based on any custom...its based on the prophet(a.s)'s own words (sunnah) and the merits given to them by Allah (s.w.t)...infact Imam Ali (a.s) was called the Wali of the People in verse 5:55....

salaams...

can u please tell me as to what is ure final views on ibn tymiyyah...as ure opinion is not clear...

Prophet (s.a.w) had explicitly mentioned the merits of Imam Ali (a.s) to be more than the others..i will give u some examples:


Sheikh Sulayman Balkhi in his Yanabiu'l-Mawadda, Chapter 55, narrates from Tirmidhi Buraida's hadith that, according to the Prophet, the most dearly loved woman was Fatima and the most dearly loved man was Ali. Muhammad Bin Yusuf Ganji Shafi'i in his Kifayatu't-Talib, Chapter 91, reports on the authority of Ummu'l-Mu'minin A'yesha that she said: "Allah did not create any one whom the Holy Prophet loved more than Ali." He adds that this is the hadith which Ibn Jarir in his Manaqib and Ibn Asakir Damishqi in his translation have narrated from Ali. Muhyi'd-Din and Imamu'l-Haramain Ahmad Bin Abdullah Shafi'i relates from Tirmidhi in Dhakha'iru'l-Uqba that people asked A'yesha which woman was loved most by the Prophet, and she replied, "Fatima." Then she was asked about the man loved most by the Prophet and she replied, "Her husband, Ali bin Abu Talib." Further, he related from the Mukhalis of Dhahabi and Hafiz Abu'l-Qasim Damishqi and he from A'yesha that she said: "I have not seen a man more loved by the Holy Prophet than Ali, nor a woman more loved than Fatima." In addition, the Sheikh relates from Hafiz Khajandi and he from Ma'azatu'l-Ghifariyya that she said: "I went to have an audience with the Prophet in A'yesha's house while Ali was outside the house. The Prophet said to A'yesha, 'This (Ali) is the dearest to me and the most honored among all men. Recognize his right and pay respectful regard to his position.'"


while there are many examples in history...i have just given a few of them....


it is very important to recognise the sahaaba because these are the people who brought to us the religion of Prophet Muhammad (a.s)....we have to see if any of them were mischivios and have to find those who were on haq....these categories have arisen due to many conflicts between them....otherwise if there were no conflicts and if the words of the Prophet (s.a.w) would have been followed, there wud have been no issues at all....so there wud be no reason to examine every single group dat existed in dose days....and our job is to see the haq...and leave out the others....

these are not unnecessary disputes at all.....we have to learn from wat happened in those days....follow the words of the Prophet (s.a.w)....and dat can only lead us to a successful ummah....but sadly, due to the works of few... the "islamic rule" is hard to see...and for a fact..today, except one state, all the others are not eve trying to become an islamic country...and dat one state is iran.....iran i belive is not a truly islamic state...as they have some faults...but they are trying....and no doubt they have made mistakes in da process....but still..if u dont try..how can one achive success....

[QUOTE=Friendship] Assalamu alaikum.


ibn tymiyya was against the Ahlel Bayt...and not only against Imam Ali (a.s)...infact he is the one source of sectarian violence in terms of literature wen it comes to the shia/sunni conflict..
i will quote some of his words against Imam Ali (a.s) here:

Minhaj al-Sunnah, Volume 8 page 230:
وعلي يقاتل ليطاع ويتصرف في النفوس والأموال فكيف يجعل هذا قتالا على الدين
�Ali fought to secure obedience and rule the people and money, so how can that be deemed as fighting for sake of religion?�



Minhaj al-Sunnah, Volume 4 page 137:
وعلي رضي الله عنه كان قصده أن يتزوج عليها فله في أذاها غرض
�Ali intended to marry so as to hurt her (Fatima) on purpose.�



infact he was unsure about the eemaan of Imam Ali (a.s):

Minhaj al-Sunnah, Volume 8 page 205:
وأما إسلام علي فهل يكون مخرجا له من الكفر على قولين
There are two opinions as to whether Ali's conversion to Islam released him from kufr or not"

thus there is no doubt that he is a clear enemy of Ahlel Bayt (a.s)...if u want his comments on other members of Ahlel Bayt (a.s) then i can bring u dat as well..


Read The letters of Ali bin Abi Talib by Muhammad Ayb Khan Published by International Islamic Publisheers Ltd Pakistan. Ist Edition,�1991.
i would appreciate if u would give me the exact letter number or the topic of the letter so that i can search on it...