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Hayfa
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I think also one can ask about it form how much depth of knowledge does a person have before doing the Shahada.. when I was deciding to do the Shahada I asked myself "do I believe there is no God, but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger." I answered yes and well that was that. But was it to the level that I have now, of course not.
Some people may never asks themselves beyond that point.
I am sure there are some people who do "convert" to various religions for social reasons, marraige being one of them. Men and women alike. I would say it is quite small.
I would guess however that the number of athiests, self-proclaimed, will "convert" in order to marry. I know a man who became a Muslim, at least nominally, in order to marry.
I would suspect if your heart is not into it, the road will be especially tough going as Islam is about discipline. It will come out in the end, and certainly in the after-life.
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When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Shasta'sAunt
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I have yet to read here that anyone posting here who reverted to Islam did not want to do so but did anyway for a man, or otherwise. I can't vouch for other reverts, but it took me a long time to actually do the Shahada, because I knew that once I did there would be no going back and my life as I knew it would change forever. It was not something I took lightly, in fact it was terrifying in some respects, because I knew what I was giving up. I would venture to say that someone who reverts or converts to anything without truly wanting to in their heart, mind, and soul has not reverted/converted. They are merely paying lip service while believing something else. Which Muslimahs posting here would you say this of?
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Israfil
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Then I guess the various Muslimahs whom I've spoken to here are wrong. Besides, I didn't say "all" I said a percentage, that could be 1% or 10% you don't know. I was referring to a particular group (one of many) who have converted for reasons other than themselves. As for African-Americans who convert the same rules apply. Some have converted to Islam because some have been taught that Islam is the closes thing to a human beings religion. Some convert as a way out of prison some convert out of sincerity. I'm pointing towards the varieties of why people convert and leave. If you don't like the comment don't read plain and simple, but it is the truth nonetheless. Edited by Israfil - 21 September 2008 at 11:39am |
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Angel
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The essence of disbelief is not always steming from social. I don't necessarily disagree with your assesment I do agree that some people are in that arena, but disbeliving or turning away from a religion is not always from a negative event or social conditions. A lot of people do turn away because it has something to do within themselves they are not being spiritually fulfilled and religion does not always particularly hold truth to or for a person. And some beliefs whatever they may be do not resonate with a person and/or their truth. People also change over time so their old beliefs systems are outdated. Of course some people will hold onto their beliefs systems right through life either because it resonates with them (therefore its their truth) or for fear of God.
For me the essence of disbelief doesn't always stem for social events but within the state of a person.
I know social, environment, upbringing, greatly determines what a person believes in but there is a part of me that feels that something inside helps determine a persons belief. Do we need outside influences to tell us that standing out in the sun we eventually get warm or standing out in the rain we will get wet?
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H3OO
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You are well advised- stop digging when in a hole! Pleading on behalf of the impostor Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is fruitless. The book on his treasonous claim has been closed for some times now! Just like the Nation of Islam has no recognition as part of the Ummah so are the Ahmedis why waste more time on it! If you can't refute all the items stated in my post, just forget it! This IC is no place for proselytizing for your Qadiani crap! The Anglo Saxon vultures who protected him and his votaries are still hovering over the Ummah that need to be taken care of [/QUOTE] seems like i hit a nerve there. clam down sir. U need to think, thats what u are not doing. u have not yet clear whats so harmful/degrading/abusive about ahmedis interpretation mentioned in Seal of prophets thread (if u have read that). May Allah open ur mind. amen Edited by H3OO - 21 September 2008 at 1:49am |
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minuteman
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S*R, Thanks for upgrading the Qadiyanis to a better level i.e. Nation of Islam level. I hope you have realised that they did not belong to the salman Rushdie class or Wafa Sultan type. I was only interested that you should refrain from making highly derogatory claims about others. Still youhave not admitted and cleared the mis-information that you were trying to present on net.
There had been a famous program on English TV "Mind your language" That was interesting.
You have quoted from Maudoodi. I had been a great Maudoodi fan. But he turned out to be mere political leader and a bigot. The Deobandis and the Brelvis all hated him and he was punished by the government too. To quote maudoodi about anything is not good and reliable. Whatever he said about anything is not true.
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Sign*Reader
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You are well advised- stop digging when in a hole! Pleading on behalf of the impostor Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is fruitless. The book on his treasonous claim has been closed for some times now! Just like the Nation of Islam has no recognition as part of the Ummah so are the Ahmedis why waste more time on it! If you can't refute all the items stated in my post, just forget it! This IC is no place for proselytizing for your Qadiani crap! The Anglo Saxon vultures who protected him and his votaries are still hovering over the Ummah that need to be taken care of Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 September 2008 at 4:01pm |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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minuteman
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Beautiful advice/ post from S_A above. Many thanks for helping, guiding the wandering salesmen. The important point has been that by living that good life as a Muslim, you have not harmed any one and that is what is wanted from every one.
One may think that the others can also do good without religion. But that is not possible without some union and collective effort. There is no such unity in Atheists. And why they will do anything good and what for? They are, as per their disbeliefs, heading into a blind alley.
I stop here because I may be going in the wrong direction or may be hurting some one. Pardon. Edited by minuteman - 20 September 2008 at 3:55pm |
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