THE CREED OF THE SHI�AISM

Ali Zaki wrote: Alhamdullila! They have revealed their true face (the Salafi's and Wahabbi's) and IT HAS BECOME CLEAR WHO IS CREATING THE FITNA IN THE UMMA OF RASULALLAH (A.S.). For anyone who is interested in an actual Sunni-Shia dialogue from two respected scholars of their day, please see http://al-islam.org/murajaat/index.htm. This presents (and discusses) the ACTUAL differences between Sunni and Shia.

So the classical scholar named by shakur are all wahabi and salafi?

Dont refer people to deception. This duologue never happen between Selim al-Bashri and the lier. The most oddest things is how Selim all the time is singing the praises of the Shia scholar. And the speed this letter arrives between the two different countrys in 1910. Its imaginary dialog like the peshawar night pure deception.

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

some shia are outright kaafirs as are some so called sunnis like - ahmadiya and qadiyaani

The Shia are made up of different groups, i have read that some would be considered kafir but i dont know to much about it. the Main Shia group are muslim according to the majority of Sunni scholars, there have been heretical people among them but you have to be carefull between this and outright takfir of All shia.

Are you saying there is nothing that can nullify shahada?

Do you seriously think i believe that? The minimum to be considered a muslim in islam is believing Allah is one and Muhamad is his prophet. The only sin Allah wont forgive is shirk.

This fatwas cannot be applied on individuals but it can be applied on shiism and the one who follows its teachings 100%. There is many shia who dont by the idea of hidden imam or that sahaba become apostates or that todays quran is not the same as in prophets(saw) time. And in many shia community's the majority have always seen muta as something ugly.

This is not a fatwa only a scholar who has Ijaza is Qualified to give legal rulings in Islam. This is a bunch of staments taken out of context of time period and place and put together with the opinions of the auther. please have some respect for islamic scholarship and authority.

br Ali Zaki not every sunni scholar ageed that Bukhari or muslim were sahih i dont know any which said they contained false ahadith. The majority and the concensus among scholars is that they are Sahih, i sugest you look at sunni methodology of clasifying ahadith not the atempt by this site which is an insult realy to scholarship as it ignores all methodology imam Bukhari and muslim formulated to clasify hadith in there colection. How can you comment on the works and ignore the methadology used to complie it.

It is only a critisism of people Shia dislike nothing else, where is the scholarship in that.

I do not trust the site you contiunualy refrence, the argument they present and the sources have yet to be proven reliable. Many shia books are delibratly worded in such a manner br it is manipulative as it leaves no room in the persons mind to make up his own judgment it lacks impartiality while pretending to be fair by presenting sunni "evidence" against sunni's with shia interpretation of what the sunni's are saying rather than what is being said.

The clasicc example is the hadith in Bukhari about ahl al bayt, The understanding of these ahadith by sunni's is not the same as shia so how can simply having a hadith which you interprate a certain way be proof that the scholar is somehow agreeing with you?

we have many comentarie's, tafsir, on these works clearly explaing what is meant by them.

you may like to have a look at the following.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/


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If there were any personal insults by men then i am sorry. to be honest with you i don't now a thing about salafes or wahabis. Todays muslims scholars are not learned as the scholars before us, and do not understand the religion as well as the scholars before us.

 

what sunni scholar doesn't agree with bukhari and muslim. it's the sunnah that tell us the best examples and which deeds are the best. without these people are missing great portion of islam.

1.do shias insult the sahaba yes or no.

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum Shakur,

Sorry i wasnt more clear in my post you did not insult any person but your article was directed to a religious community ie shia it labeled them as kufar.

the site where this article comes from is run by wahabi extremest in Indian who practice takfir on other muslims (different from average wahabi's today). nothing on that site is scholarly or is accepted by any of the madhhabs it is full of misquotes and misinterpratations of many scholars. I would advise staying away from it.

Br Ali Zaki my comments about the ahadith in Bukhari about ahl al bayt where not reffering to our last converstation i was speking generaly about all the ahadith in bukhari or muslim which shia take as evidence that sunni's are ignoring certain hadith implying we are not following the sunnah or we are wrong for what ever reason.


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