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    Posted: 25 July 2005 at 8:17am

Bismillah,

Lameese, I agree with you.

Mockba, I agree with you that it is better not to use these definitions of the East and the West.

GWB is in the West and so am I.  Is he the West?  Am I?  This is inaccurate grouping terminology mixing him and me together! Let's fix this also.  (Along with never using Jihad or Islaam in terrorist organization's names.  We rename them Death Cultists as B suggested, or other things as others may suggest.)

Only rich people have been elected president for the longest time.  How are they relevant to me???  Bush and Kerry were just two rich guys without a care or a clue. 

The people at the poll didn't even know how to tell me to write in a candidate!  Fortunately, I figured it out.  This was not a democratic election because of this lack of education on the process and our rights and choices as voters.

West bashing?  I could East bash easily, but that wouldn't be accurate, because it's just some of the people in Jordan (maybe a lot of them) who I could write mean stuff about.  So there would have to be two new forums to be fair; and an active interest in such "discussion".



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Originally posted by Lameese Lameese wrote:

Your comprehension of a culture you do not know is just astounding. astounding!   You must live in the West and understand how they are and are a little like that yourself to know them so well.

 

Lameese

I thought our conversation is is over. Well, its not particularly about Westerners, its more about my views about human-beings, in general. I believe human-beings can act like angels, but usually, they act very selfishly (irrespective of acting morally or immorally).
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Originally posted by ZamanH ZamanH wrote:

Even if its assume that the Westerners don't condone their governments for their unethical actions, it is highly unlikely that they will continue to do so for long, as, they depend for their prosperity on the dirty works of their governments.

 

Your comprehension of a culture you do not know is just astounding. astounding!   You must live in the West and understand how they are and are a little like that yourself to know them so well.

 

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Even if its assume that the Westerners don't condone their governments for their unethical actions, it is highly unlikely that they will continue to do so for long, as, they depend for their prosperity on the dirty works of their governments.

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Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

The people's choice has a habit of getting rid of bad leaders. It doesn't happen everytime, but because whoever's in power at any given time, knows they are answerable to the democratic process, they abuse their position of power at great risk. Where as a dictator simply throws the opposition in prison...or worse. Democracy is by no means perfect but the alternatives have even more serious flaws. I think it was Winston Churchill who said: "democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried"

"Abusing position of power" and "throwing opposition in prison" are just about the same things only worded differently.

Not necessarily, but if that's what you wish to believe.. so be it.
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Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

you trap yourself in a full circle, don't you?

 

not really, but maybe in your mind I do :)

 

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Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

The people's choice has a habit of getting rid of bad leaders. It doesn't happen everytime, but because whoever's in power at any given time, knows they are answerable to the democratic process, they abuse their position of power at great risk. Where as a dictator simply throws the opposition in prison...or worse. Democracy is by no means perfect but the alternatives have even more serious flaws. I think it was Winston Churchill who said: "democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried"

"Abusing position of power" and "throwing opposition in prison" are just about the same things only worded differently.

 
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Mr Collin you are corect i only moderate by the forum Guidlines, people are free to say whatever they like as long as the Guidlines are not broken. I think Dr Syed Alawi is a good example on the guidlines not being biased against non muslims.

or at least to what extent the guidlines can be pushed.

Sulayman i sugest you read the guidlines if you have not understood them then that is something i can not help you with.


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