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Iftikhar
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It is not Islam and Muslims who are creating problems, actually it is British society creating problems for the Muslim community. The Muslim community has been vicitm of Paki-bashing in all walks of life by the British society and Establishment for the last 60 years. Now it is vicitm of terrorism by the British Establishment. Thousands of Muslim youth are being serched in the streets and hundreds of them are behind the bar without any trial. State schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers are not suitable for Muslim children. This is the reason why majority of them leave schools with low grades. God has created diverse human beings to live in this tiny global villageas of one family. Creation by its very nature is deverse with different species, different communities, different cultures and languages. These differences represent the beauty and wonder but diversity is sometimes not fully appreciated, resulting in all sorts of clashes. The British society and Establishment must learn to respect and accommodate others, as if in a family. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is supposed to be well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages, to be part of the Britisah society, as well as proud of his.her cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of his/her literature and poetry |
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Salams_wife
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For one thing, why would Saudi accomodate people of other faiths that only come to work in Saudi. Those people are not citizens. In fact, very few people in Saudi are not muslims so there isn't enough to accomodate in the first place.
I have also seen how Americans in other countries often live as close to a lifestyle as possible in other countries with other cultures. The Brittish are the same in this regard as well. What you are saying is muslims must assimilate, but Christians and other western people do not have to when they go somewhere different. What is wrong with someone wanting to practice their faith and culture so long as they are productive members of the society where they live?
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Whisper
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Often Muslim Imams perpetuate this by insisting that Muslims not assimilate.
Really? How many Muslim Imams have you observed?
It would have been a wee matured or just simply a bit wiser to say that it's something cultural. "Ethnocentricism" is quite a known phenomenon. It takes place all over the world. It's not merely some Muslim Centric-Imam-Induced disorder like everythng else wrong in our world seems to have become.
It's not that just the Indians and Pakistanis stick close to their own lot in the United Kingdom despite all the kindness shown by their host. The Brits living in Spain do exactly the same. Our pobre Amrekanos can't fire at those pobre starved Iraqis unless they have their own ghetto, complete with a McDonalds in their base camp!
It's all a part of our primitive herd feeling.
We are barking at the Imams because we just need to bark at something.
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aspacia
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Iftikhar,
According to your logic, Saudi Arabia should accommodate Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Pagan, Shinto, et. al also. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. When you immigrate to another land, try not to expect this new land to accommodate its guest; the guest accommodates its host, accepts its rules, or politely leaves: (admin: link was removed) Edited by icforumadmin - 15 July 2008 at 4:34pm |
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aspacia
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It is from a VERY BIASED MEDIA SOURCE, who won a legal case against CAIR.
Take a look a anti-Cair, and the comments made by CAIR, its officials, and U.S. liberal politicians (i.e. Durban, et al.) Yes, many media sources are very biased; regardless, they often support their claims with solid evidence. Faith and Freedom often misquotes, omits, or just totally distorts information. However, anti-Cair is very careful not to post any evidence, but valid facts, else Whitehead will be sued again. Also, Al-Ahram, is very biased, especially Khalid Amarah (sp), however, he does support his claims with facts, just as other "journalists" on this site do, but with numerous omissions and distortions. Our job is to be intelligent enough to sift through the garbage for the kernels of fact. |
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Iftikhar
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London School of Islamics is an educational Trust. Its aim is to make British public, institutions and media aware of the needs and demands of the Muslim community in the field of education and possible solutions. Slough Islamic school Trust Slough had a seminar on Muslim education and schools in Thames Valley Atheltic Centre. The seminar was addressed by the education spokesman of MCB. I could not attend the seminar but I believe lot of Muslims from Slough and surrounding areas must have attended. Very soon, the Muslims of Slough will have a state funded Muslim school but there is a need for more schools. A day will come when all Muslim children will attend state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role model. Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or less bilingual schools. Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the Holy Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as a problem. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hours from London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan. More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60 years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with the Quran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of British Muslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the least likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated 500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in the state system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them are underachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher education is concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others. Let Muslim community educate its own children so that they can develop their own Islamic, cultural and linguistic identities and become usefull members of the British society rather than becoming a buden. We are living in an English speaking country and English is an international language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be well versed in standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach? It is not only the Muslim community who would like to send their children to Muslim school. Sikh and Hindu communities have started setting up their schools. Last week. British Black Community has planned the first all black school with Black teachers in Birmingham. Scotland's first state funded Muslim school could get the go-ahead within months after First Munister Alex Salmond declared he was sympathetic towards the needs and demands of the Muslim community. |
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semar
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Please provide a prove that CAIR called for Muslims not to assimilate. Please make suere the prove not come from "bias" media/source or unknown media/source.
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Salam/Peace,
Semar "We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) "1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air" |
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aspacia
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Often Muslim Imams perpetuate this by insisting that Muslims not assimilate. Even CAIR has called for Muslims not to assimilate, else they be tainted.
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