Muslim Ghettoisation

[QUOTE=aspacia]

Yes Whisper.  As you mentioned earlier, this is ethnocentrism, and we all suffer from this.  I am doing my best, and may be utterly failing, to understand.   

LOL, we have multicultural day, we have Christian, Islamic, Jewish, Pagan, Buddhist speakers on campus, and this includes various foods and costumes from the various cultures.  LOL, a Samoan teacher brought his drums, and the students presented a Samoan dance.   

Keep on attempting to break the walls down Whisper  I am trying to do the same from my end.

Also, keep in mind that I critique all faiths, not just Islam.  I recently exchanged several emails with a Rabbi regarding his misleading claim, and still interpret Exodus differently than he does.

Iftikhar wrote: Salaam It is not Islam and Muslims who are creating problems, actually it is British society creating problems for the Muslim community. The Muslim community has been vicitm of Paki-bashing in all walks of life by the British society and Establishment for the last 60 years. Now it is vicitm of terrorism by the British Establishment. Thousands of Muslim youth are being serched in the streets and hundreds of them are behind the bar without any trial.

I would leave.

State schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers are not suitable for Muslim children. This is the reason why majority of them leave schools with low grades.

I am monolingual, lost most of my French and German, does this make me "not-suitable?"      No, the children need to learn the language of the land, and not expect the host country to adjust to their needs.  The numerous immigrants that come to the U.S. are expected to learn the language, and adjust to our culture, not vice-versa.

God has created diverse human beings to live in this tiny global villageas of one family. Creation by its very nature is deverse with different species, different communities, different cultures and languages. These differences represent the beauty and wonder but diversity is sometimes not fully appreciated, resulting in all sorts of clashes. The British society and Establishment must learn to respect and accommodate others, as if in a family.

Here we disagree, you are the guests who should adjust, not vice-versa.  I smoke, but when I go to a nonsmokers home, I do not smoke because I respect their rules.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is supposed to be well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages, to be part of the Britisah society, as well as proud of his.her cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of his/her literature and poetry

True enough, but he/she might be more accepted if he/she becomes fluent in the language.  What you seem to claim, is that you do not want to be British, and understand British heritage?  This is part of the problem that causes resentment among the British population. 

The West provides a K-12 education because the more educated the population, the better the society will be.  Learn the other languages, and your heritage, but also learn the host's language and heritage.  Respect the people and the laws of the land, but do not expect special privileges.

Whisper wrote: Often Muslim Imams perpetuate this by insisting that Muslims not assimilate.  Really? How many Muslim Imams have you observed?

I have often written to Islamic religious scholars regarding certain claims.  For example, is it true that the recent Sura's supercede previous Sura's?  No response.  Why no answer?

It would have been a wee matured or just simply a bit wiser to say that it's something cultural. "Ethnocentricism" is quite a known phenomenon. It takes place all over the world. It's not merely some Muslim Centric-Imam-Induced disorder like everythng else wrong in our world seems to have become.

True, but why immigrate to another land, if you do not want to assimilate as guests in your new home?  Learn the language, culture, what is appropriate, what foods are allowed.  Heck, my mom made me take a year of French, and insisted I peruse a French etiquette book before we traveled there.  Put your bread on the table, not the plate; eat slowly, and do not clean your plate.

It's not that just the Indians and Pakistanis stick close to their own lot in the United Kingdom despite all the kindness shown by their host. The Brits living in Spain do exactly the same. Our pobre Amrekanos can't fire at those pobre starved Iraqis unless they have their own ghetto, complete with a McDonalds in their base camp! It's all a part of our primitive herd feeling. We are barking at the Imams because we just need to bark at something.

Funny, I do not tend to bark, only humiliate.  Also, remember, westerners tend to bark regarding most issues, and religious tenets.  That is called Freedom of Speech, but it is not legal to promote violence.  People screamed about Buchannon wanting Chavez assassinated.  He was even threated with a lawsuit, and had to apologize.  How often do you rail against religious calls to violence? 

Also, in my profession, I must mix with peers, and students from around the world. 



Edited by aspacia - 20 July 2008 at 9:49am