Adolescent boy who has not been baptised

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   Salaams Steve..

If you do go plan o go about 1pm in afternoon or in the evenings.. if you go say 9am, no one may be there..

Maybe we should buy them answering machine..lol

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Hayfa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Joined: 07 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2368	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hayfa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Adolescent boy who has not been baptised Posted: 11 July 2008 at 3:25am
	Salaams Steve.. If you do go plan o go about 1pm in afternoon or in the evenings.. if you go say 9am, no one may be there.. Maybe we should buy them answering machine..lol
	When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi

sdaignau Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 03 July 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote sdaignau Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 July 2008 at 8:26am
	Hi. I've tried calling Masjid Muhammad in Atlantic City, but there hasn't been an answer or answering machine. It is a modest distance away (maybe 45 minutes) and I can probably make a visit either this or next weekend to see what course of action they prefer. I haven't had any specific conversation with the Mother in the last couple days. I know only a few basics about Islam apart from what I can read in the news or on the internet (like wikipedia). Which is no good indication, of course.... -Steve

seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Post Options Post Reply Quote seekshidayath Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2008 at 7:25pm
	Hello Steve Welcome to IslamiCity. I applaud your efforts and concern for a boy who was a stranger to you earlier. Right now, try to be friendly with his mother. Don;t speak to her of the topic, but just about her and her son. Later, when she is friendly with you, you can then ask her again if you can take them to the mosque. This process may take some time, till then both you and your new friend { boy} can study Islam. You can ask us any of your doubts without any hesitation. You can then discuss this to to his mother too. As sister hayfa said, keep us updated with the happenings Edited by seekshidayath - 09 July 2008 at 7:27pm
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

Hayfa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Joined: 07 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2368	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hayfa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2008 at 1:31pm
	Hello, It is a good sign that she was not mad.. I would say that take it one step at a time. I think continuing your own education is paramount. First of all each of us, comes from Allah- our Creator, The Divine. When people have a "tough" life and they are young, it is SO hard to find the beauty. Isually it comes from low self-esteem. When your family, home life is some-what broken, it is hard to find where you belong. When you are neglected it is easy to feel unloved. I have been doing alot of research oh street children all over the world. Imagining what it must like to feel like you are worth nothing to others, you are invisible. And adding onto Nur Ilahi's point.. is that this life is a test.. and we are all tested in different ways. It is not how we start so to speak-being baptized or who are family was or is, but what we do with it. How do we behave, how do we think, what we believe. Please keep us updated and ask any questions. Hayfa
	When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi

Nur_Ilahi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 19 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1031	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nur_Ilahi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2008 at 7:11am
	I am so sorry to miss this thread too. I appreciate your concern towards the boy. It shows you do have love towards another human being. In Islam, when a child - any child, be it a Muslim or a non-Muslim) under the age of puberty dies, his or her place is guaranteed Jannah or Paradise. The reason is because the intellectual ability has not fully developed yet to choose right from wrong. This is a sign of Allah - Our Creator's - Mercy and Compassion. Perhaps you should inform the child that this whole wide world had been created by One God. That God is Most Merciful and Most Forgiving. The Accepter of Repentance, The All-Knowing and Most Loving. Allah said, if one of my servant take a step towards me, I will run to him. In other words, never ever give up on God's Mercy. As long as we believe in the Oneness of God and accepting Muhammad as the best example of a human being, InshaAllah (God Willing) Allah will guide us to the True Path. The Masjid (I prefer to call Masjid than mosque) is the House of Allah. It is not owned by any individual. So as long as you respect the Owner of the House that is Allah Himself, by being humble and respectful while being there, Insha Allah, your attendance will be most welcome by the inhabitants of the Masjid. May Allah shower His blessings on you, the boy and his mum.
	Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 July 2008 at 2:57am
	Yes, try to speak on the phpne and if the matter is not acceptable to mosque people then do not go near them. You can try to locate some good people on the net. It is better to contact some honorable peaceful learned educated person. That may guide you to some good people. Look for love and no hatred.

sdaignau Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 03 July 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote sdaignau Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 July 2008 at 10:08pm
	Minuteman: Hi. Thank you for the suggestion. This is also my instinct (take the boy or both he and his mother to... a Mosque?). It is actually Atlantic City, NJ. I found one called Masjid Muhammad in the phone book. My only concern is that they wouldn't be "accepted" or "acceptable" under these circumstances. I don't know why that might be the case. I think I will call them to ask their opinion, too. Regards, Steve

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 July 2008 at 8:06pm
	Very complicated situation brought about by self confession. It is sure that the mother is not at fault about her own birth. But she is at fault for the birth of the illegitimate son. Similarly, the son is not at fault. So in the present circumstances, it is better to take the son to some senior educated Muslim for counselling. The mother should allow it because she had been the cause of the son's predicament. She should freely allow the son to do some soul searching. I would suggest that she should go along with the son and the good gentleman when they go to Atlanta city. The mother also needs some lessons in spiritualism. She has no faith. She must have seen the results of the Judaism and christianity. Now let her see the teachings of Islam if those suit her. At the least, the friend should take the young boy to Atlanta City. That is definite, good move. I am a muslim. I don't know what other muslim friends here will say about it. I also do not know what is the (Islamic) legal position about it. Edited by minuteman - 07 July 2008 at 8:10pm