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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

Yes, I am a revert of eleven plus years.
"Revert" suggests to me someone who was once a Muslim, left the religion and then returned.  Do you mean "convert"?
 
All babies are born Muslim in that they are free of sin and in submission to God. When we return to Islam we revert back to this submission.
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Originally posted by Hayfa Hayfa wrote:

Salaams Shasta's Aunt" Did Karen Armstrong revert??

And you cna add Iman Zaid Shakir to that list as well ..

If bigger brain's indicated more intelligence then elephants and whales would be ahead of all of us.. lol

 
Sorry, I was writing this at 4 am and I meant Yvonne Ridley, but Karen Armstrong came out....
 
I know there are many others, but my tired brain couldn't conjure their names. Bilal Phillips, Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR, Ingrid Mattson(a womanShocked) and president of ISNA, Yusef Estes, and more....
 
Don't forget dolphins....
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

All babies are born Muslim in that they are free of sin and in submission to God. When we return to Islam we revert back to this submission.
So that would make all non-Muslims apostates?
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

All babies are born Muslim in that they are free of sin and in submission to God. When we return to Islam we revert back to this submission.
So that would make all non-Muslims apostates?
 
Only if you are fully cognizant as a newborn infant and choose to turn from Islam.
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 For a while it really made me happy to hear that Karen Armstrong is a revert ... but thanks for the confirmation.
 
Also am sorry for not realising I was not talking to a group from science background.
I camparison of brain size versus intelligence cannot penetrate interspecise. Also size is not the only factor which will determine intelligence. It is actually the convulusions of the grey matter that results in intelligence (within Homo sapiens - for the sake of this discussion), slo at first more the grey matter, more is the intelligence - which is an attribute of size or rather weight. Along with this between two brains of equal weight and size, the more the convolusions, more will be the intelligence.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

Only if you are fully cognizant as a newborn infant and choose to turn from Islam.
If a newborn is not fully cognizant, how can it be said to have any religion at all?  What does it mean for a newborn to "believe" in Allah?
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

Only if you are fully cognizant as a newborn infant and choose to turn from Islam.
If a newborn is not fully cognizant, how can it be said to have any religion at all?  What does it mean for a newborn to "believe" in Allah?
 
A Muslim is someone who submits to God's Will. It is not a religion but a state of being.  All of the non-human animals on the earth, the angels, the heavens, all submit to God's Will without choosing to do so.
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This really is getting us nowhere and I don't want hijack the discussion, but let me try just once more.  How can one be said to submit to God's will if one doesn't have a choice?  Surely submission is a choice, i.e. a voluntary subordination of one's own will to God's.

Edited by Ron Webb - 10 July 2008 at 6:02pm
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