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Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

Assalamu alaikum.Asadullah posted:
dont follow a madhab. Im I wrong for this? I dont see the need to
follow one when the source that all the 4 Imams drew from was the Holy
Qur'an and Ahadith.

   
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Response: You are 101% correct. Those who talk of Madhhabas and believe in that concept are the Muslims who who not walk along the independence and the right Allah gave each and everyone of us to seek knowledge and learn directly from Muhammad Rasulullah. They equate Islamic knowldge like learning the natural sciences - Newtons law of motion, Boyles law, Faraday law of electrolysis, Achimedes principle, Quantum theory etc. No one will ever produce a book written by Abu Hanifa, Muwatta is not a hadith book, much of what the Muslims are quoting from Shafii is not available in his Risala written at the request of Abdurrahman. Imam Ahmad's Musnad was compiled finally by his son Ahmad. When a Muslim� scholar quotes from them, he does not mention the chain of transmission! But if one quotes a hadith with its chain of transmission they say tha hadith is weak? Is this not absurd? Now, what is a Muslim supposed to do? To invent a new way of life (Shari'a) or to follow the way of Muhammad? What is the position of a Muslim writer who wrote on what he knew of the life history of Muhammad? Who can write on everything that Muhammad did for 10 years?Friendship.�<table ="tableBorder" style="table-layout: fixed;" align="center" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><t><tr ="msgableRow"><tr ="msgableRow"><td ="msgLineDevider" style="height: 150px;" valign="top"></td></tr></tr></t></table>
As Salaamu Alaikum Friendship.Some of our brothers and sisters do not follow any Madhabs.Let me pose a question to you when you pray at Jummah do you preform salat the same as your Imam do it?If you dont it could be looked at as fitna.Do you see were im going even your Imam had to learn from someone who learn from someone else and these are our teachers right?
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Assalamu alaikum.

Asadullah posted: dont follow a madhab. Im I wrong for this? I dont see the need to follow one when the source that all the 4 Imams drew from was the Holy Qur'an and Ahadith.
  Response: You are 101% correct. Those who talk of Madhhabas and believe in that concept are the Muslims who who not walk along the independence and the right Allah gave each and everyone of us to seek knowledge and learn directly from Muhammad Rasulullah. They equate Islamic knowldge like learning the natural sciences - Newtons law of motion, Boyles law, Faraday law of electrolysis, Achimedes principle, Quantum theory etc. No one will ever produce a book written by Abu Hanifa, Muwatta is not a hadith book, much of what the Muslims are quoting from Shafii is not available in his Risala written at the request of Abdurrahman. Imam Ahmad's Musnad was compiled finally by his son Ahmad. When a Muslim  scholar quotes from them, he does not mention the chain of transmission! But if one quotes a hadith with its chain of transmission they say tha hadith is weak? Is this not absurd? Now, what is a Muslim supposed to do? To invent a new way of life (Shari'a) or to follow the way of Muhammad? What is the position of a Muslim writer who wrote on what he knew of the life history of Muhammad? Who can write on everything that Muhammad did for 10 years?
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Originally posted by Talib_Asadullah Talib_Asadullah wrote:

Assalamu AlaikumI dont follow a madhab. Im I wrong for this? I dont see the need to follow one when the source that all the 4 Imams drew from was the Holy Qur'an and Ahadith.
As Salaamu Alaikum Brother Talib_Asadullah.As long as you are learning from a reliable source dont sweat it.Example The Maliki Madhab make salat with there hands to there side some others have theres below there navel its a difference, does this makes them wrong?and there prayer not count only Allah Knows.Although its always good to have a teacher you cant just pick up a medical book learn it yourself and then call yourself a doctor(get it?)
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Originally posted by Hamzah Hamzah wrote:

i do regard all four as shining lights to understand our faith, may Allah have mercy on them all, Ameen.
Wa Alaikum As Salam Hamza.Mashallah'(Ameen)I find myself doing the same at times even though I follow Shafi'i teachings.

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Originally posted by abosait abosait wrote:

Originally posted by Honzo Honzo wrote:

.....Kindly show us the proof were ulema of hanaf has gone against Quran and Hadith.......
Example1.,,Making up for missed salat...Read the view of the Hanafi Scholar Mohammad Yusuf Islahi in this link
http://islamicvoice.com/July2006/Fiqh/?PHPSESSID=...

Please compare that with the explanation from Qur'an and Sunnah shown in the following link: http://makkah.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/missing-prayers-at-work/



It was typical salafi argument, denying qiyas and taking literal meaning of Quran and Hadith, this time quoting Dahiris .

Whether Ibn Hazm was mujtahid or not, tht itself is debateable let alone accepting his verdict.

pls refer,


Are the Hanbali Mujtahid Imams Dhahiri and Ibn Hazm considered Ahl al-Sunna?


Many scholars of past and present consider him to be innovator,


Ibn Hazm - Innovator

Pls make sure from where u r taking ur knowledge from, science of fiqh is very vast and complicated and scholars hv taken ages to learn and perfect the art.
I would recommend u to learn beginners book on usul-ul-fiqh .


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Assalamu Alaikum

I dont follow a madhab. Im I wrong for this? I dont see the need to follow one when the source that all the 4 Imams drew from was the Holy Qur'an and Ahadith.
Al-Qur'an was-Sunnah
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Assalamu alaikum.

abosait posted: Read the Fatwa first and then ask if there are any doubts.

Response: It is you who should read IBn Hazams book Al-Ihkam fi Usulul Ahkam vols 1-2 to understand properly the argument and not just to read what is translated that is short of Islamic juristic definitions and explanations. Thats why you always fall into confusion. I do not read the english translation because I have the Arabic version.
Originally posted by Friendship

.......... Yes today a surgeon performing delicate operations that could last for about 16 hours or so could be affected. But even so, he must have an assistance who could take over from him......
Irrelevant matter.

Response: I am talking from practical experience. As a practising gneral surgeon, we hardly have problem is doing our prayers in time except in some emergencies close to Magrib. Today a Muslim surgeon doing open heart surgery or separating conjoint twins etc, may be unable to perform his prayer in time. This is what I am referring to. Read Majmu'ul fatawa by Ibn taymiyya vol 22 to understand properly what is required on what you just mentioned. Please stop making fatwa if you do not read the original Arabic texts because you are confusion people. Take time! If you die you will be asked by Allah on whatever statement you make. Yes, I know truth is bitter! Please what is your profession if you will not mind my question.
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Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

..........I saw the name (of Ibn Hazm/-- 'The sword of the holy Apostle'-)...I did not read the Fatwa.. ...Now tell me.... where he agreed with .....
Read the Fatwa first and then ask if there are any doubts.
Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

.......... Yes today a surgeon performing delicate operations that could last for about 16 hours or so could be affected. But even so, he must have an assistance who could take over from him......
Irrelevant matter.
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