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Sign Reader:
 
You are so virulent in your attacks against blacks, Jews, Americans, all of whom you claim are murdering Muslims but what of the Muslims murdering Muslims and others?  Shouldn't your anger be directed toward them as they are Muslims and have been commanded by Allah not to kill other Muslims. They should know better and behave better.
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Points: 2368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2008 at 2:52pm
So sign Reader.. are you saying basically that the issue is less about zionist control, but the ignorance and blindness of people in general?  To an extend, yes you are right in that people are with their heads in the sand about the power brokers so to speak.
 
I guess you are including Chistians who are pro-zionism like Bush then?
 
And also then you may be saying that the Jewish people runnnig things have t obe the most brilliant people to run things as they have been doing?
 
Have you ever read about Leopold who ran probably one of the most brutal and horrible places in the Congo? He was darkness personaified about how he manipulated and had everyone in Belgium believing how he was saving the "poor African" but in relating destroyed those people.
 
And by the way, he was not Jewish..
 
Just seeking clarification 
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Points: 3352 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2008 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by Hayfa Hayfa wrote:

So sign Reader.. are you saying basically that the issue is less about zionist control, but the ignorance and blindness of people in general?  To an extend, yes you are right in that people are with their heads in the sand about the power brokers so to speak.
 
I guess you are including Chistians who are pro-zionism like Bush then?
Hayfa; It is all of the above! My impression was that with new democratic candidate Obama there will be some waning in the Zionist influence the supposedly independent minds after half a century of their stranglehold. But that was not meant to be the case after I listened to his groveling  to the AIPAC. It became clearer like a day that Zionism has taken over most of the American minds as new political religion for now truth be damned!When the truth is politicized the conscience is on life support and becomes beholden to who is holding the plug!
Obama ended up comparing his own life to the Zionism; politics makes strange bedfellows and he proved it so! And it is a sickening sight while being a black candidate he off limits, he is untouchable for any harsh criticism in the west! It was an appalling that even Uri Avenary is wondering what he promising to the Zionists, can he even deliver?
Don't believe me here is the small passage from that below: 
 
-----------"I had grown up without a sense of roots. My father was black; he was from Kenya, and he left us when I was 2. My mother was white; she was from Kansas, and I'd moved with her to Indonesia and then back to Hawaii. In many ways, I didn't know where I came from. So I was drawn to the belief that you could sustain a spiritual, emotional and cultural identity. And I deeply understood the Zionist idea � that there is always a homeland at the center of our story."....................

And then arrogant  expect things will be  peaceful in the ME, with unmitigated use of Zionist blessed money & machines in the air(f15-16-18-B1-2 52 cobras drones) and the ground ( million S tanks and all other gadgets of killing innocent )pulverizing the friends and foes alike- The crazy men on the triggers of the f18 won't know the difference in wedding party or a group of guerrillas! It is to be seen the new slave traders/owners' with a new agenda to enslave new lands if they can succeed which I doubt though with  current  performances!
What I won't take is Israfil (who according to his own that he is black and a cop)  completely ignoring the fact the men from the minorities who were abused as in the days of slavery  have voluntarily  been joining in the killing machine of Muslim lands as sort of blind crusade!
They need to remember Muhammad Ali's conscientious objector's stand during the Vietnam era! Unless the money situation in their communities have been pushed to conditions being perfect for their use as mercenaries!
And also then you may be saying that the Jewish people runnnig things have t obe the most brilliant people to run things as they have been doing?
Brilliant is one trait that also found in rest of the human species but you know there is some thing called selling soul to the devil!
Who is tops in producing and distributing porn the Jewish San Fernando Valley cities - Israfil should know that is not too far from him!
The gambling operations Las Vegas  or wherever , the drive to make LGBT legal  everywhere that includes the "God given state of Israel"(LOL)!
Had Wilson's with some of his sexual escapade cornered to sign their banking laws! Just remember Clinton & Monica and his lying!
The list could be endless.................
Have you ever read about Leopold who ran probably one of the most brutal and horrible places in the Congo? He was darkness personaified about how he manipulated and had everyone in Belgium believing how he was saving the "poor African" but in relating destroyed those people.
I know he was a devil's replication like many others in Europe who hired a bastard (for real) Sir Henry Stanley to be his local manager of the slave business. Leopold was  bringing Christianity to the Congolese by killing them! This bastard adopted  New Orleans trader Stanley's name!
Anyway the European were all over the globe on such missionary rampage beside colonization, Stanley was lot brutal on Leopold's behalf!
While at it read the opium wars against China and the Jewish Sassoon's role!
 
And by the way, he was not Jewish..
Stanley - Jewish extraction may be sounds like who knows
Just seeking clarification
OK, what do I know?
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Points: 3984 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 July 2008 at 1:20pm

Sign Reader:

The problem is that to you people every thing is crap!
 
Sounds like the rant of a racially prejudiced individual. Who are "you people?" If you are referring to blacks you might as well save your prejudices because I'm speaking for myself. I call your information crap because everything that comes out of your mouth in computational sense is crap.
 
That is fine  you can always check on demographic breakdown US army at the local library! This is no conspiracy if you don't like to Google the info!
The blacks signed up with the whites way out of proportion to their demographics in all volunteer army in an Israelite/neocon jews driven Iraqi and Afghani invasion for Iraq part  the chief Rabbi of Israel has thanked Bush!   I grant you that with unexpected mortal resistance springing in Iraq the blacks enlistment dropped since the invasion but that doesn't absolve them for the unholy operation they became complicit in! It just simply applies on  the enlistees but also the higher ups likes of Colin and Condi!
I challenge you to disprove that!
 
I'm not here to discuss the demographics of the amount of blacks who enlist, and quite frankly I don't find their enlistment relevant since, individuals enlist for various reasons.  But of course one enlisting in a military force is accountable for their actions just like we all are. Your rant proves nothing. I've never said blacks were not accountable but we are not talking about black or white we are talking about Jews. I challenge you to tell me something I don't know or I challenge you to make sense of your arguments instead of ranting and whinning like a little girl.
 

 You started this point, now listen what I am going to tell you- There are levels stages in people's state of slavishness, Jessie has his own and Obama has his and you have yours!

Wow you are really st**id aren't you. The insults keep on comin'

You haven't rebutted my point other than making your own %ages; who said it has to be 100 %, In democracy where you count 50% +1 of asses and you have your man in saddle, doesn't matter he or she white black blue Xtian Catholic or what ever as long as he sings from the their sheet of music!

Your arguments are general. You tend to use general terms to collective associate Jews with corrutible events e.g. the war in Afghanistan, Iraq. My response was to counteract that by denoting that powerful Jews are responsible, they are all not collectively responsible. Someone who is born Jewish is not accountable because  in ordeer to make them accountable you must find their individual action within an event that makes them accountable. You have not done that  except collectively associate Jews with corruption and many other things. This doesn't have to be complicated all I'm saying(without political jargon) all Jews cannot be responsible for the world's problems simple as that. I don't care who is Jewish or not in Obama's camp. Do you personally know these people well enough to make a statement?

 
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Points: 3352 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 July 2008 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

Sign Reader:

Sounds like the rant of a racially prejudiced individual. Who are "you people?" If you are referring to blacks you might as well save your prejudices because I'm speaking for myself. I call your information crap because everything that comes out of your mouth in computational sense is crap.
When you use crap and call others like st**id, it is an indication of slippage of the professional detachment your high qualifications notwithstanding! 
 
I'm not here to discuss the demographics of the amount of blacks who enlist, and quite frankly I don't find their enlistment relevant since, individuals enlist for various reasons.  But of course one enlisting in a military force is accountable for their actions just like we all are. Your rant proves nothing. I've never said blacks were not accountable but we are not talking about black or white we are talking about Jews. I challenge you to tell me something I don't know or I challenge you to make sense of your arguments instead of ranting and whinning like a little girl.
Well rant may be inconvenient truth! If I find black Americans being part of killing sprees in the Muslim lands while doing the dirty work for the Jewish  Neo cons (I gave the list that you ignored selectively) , you have an option to denounce it and show some empathy with  the hapless victims.
You need to be explicit about your stand!
You tell what countries have you traveled and what do you really know other than being a cop or excuse me the boss of some LA ghetto cops!

You can't play the both sides! Otherwise as Dr. Iqbal have said a century ago that the blacks soul is in whites' hand and his soul is in Jews hand and Jews soul is with the diablo! Of course there an exception to the rule there are few good people but where are they when there is so much injustice all around in the world!
Did you ever visit the scene of meanness by the local Jewish students and all if Palestinians tried to talk about the tragedy of the wall in Palestinian territories! They can't go for their Friday 's salat at Masjid aqsa living closeby!
 Last of their ugliness was at UCI south of where you live!
My next door neighbor is one I have to live with being nice and all I have to be as the Prophet told us their nastiness notwithstanding! The rights of the neighbors are prime!


Your arguments are general.

I gave you the list and you ignored! why?

You tend to use general terms to collective associate Jews with corrutible events e.g. the war in Afghanistan, Iraq.

Can you make some sense of your English?
Did you read the speech of the chief rabbi of Israel and that you call general! What a shame!
 No wonder reading too much of Rambam messed up your upstairs! You would need help sooner than you think!

 My response was to counteract that by denoting that powerful Jews are responsible, they are all not collectively responsible.
Read your post again and  think! You seem totally clueless even with a Phd my man! You are falling head over heels to protect the Jewish agenda and don't realize it!
Which side are you on, you are providing ammo for  Nur_Ilahi to make a call on you!
I won't call you names the way you do but then how could I not agree with what Iqbal said!

 Someone who is born Jewish is not accountable because  in ordeer to make them accountable you must find their individual action within an event that makes them accountable. You have not done that  except collectively associate Jews with corruption and many other things. This doesn't have to be complicated all I'm saying(without political jargon)
I agree! all are born guiltless but then they become Milkens, Goldsteins, Samuelis, Segals and Lucass(read at least till the page 2 how just one scum can pollute the holy land) and the list can go on! In case of last name just he alone is enough to infect the community worldwide and by no means he is alone your neighborhood of San Fernando valley has plenty like him!
The time and need for finding and convicting the Pollards and Rosenbergs is long past!
What kind of proof you looking for and you will see it!
Now they are in the saddle and the US has gone bonkers including this clown Obama!
It was sickening to see picture from Israel sympathizing with some Jewish settler along  with Ahud Barak ready to shed crocodile tears for a supposedly rocket damage which wasn't there! I ca understand cuz there are no Palestinian voters here the the injustice should go on- only just American at that stature is Jimmy Carter what is the name of his book "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid" speaks volumes about the collectively about Jews not individually!

 all Jews cannot be responsible for the world's problems simple as that. I don't care who is Jewish or not in Obama's camp. Do you personally know these people well enough to make a statement?
Yes I do! almost became a part of these folks when I was in Chicago and Allah saved me with his grace!
And just don't be a knucklehead-- I never said all the Jews and but enough to make even their own good ones are getting sick of them!
 


Edited by Sign*Reader - 27 July 2008 at 3:07pm
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Points: 3984 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2008 at 12:45am
When you use crap and call others like st**id, it is an indication of slippage of the professional detachment your high qualifications notwithstanding! 
 
It has nothing to do with the loss of credential but simple honesty. You are making a racial generalization quite prejudice at that. I don't put my academic credibility on the line when I call your statements crap they are as I perceive them.
 
Well rant may be inconvenient truth! If I find black Americans being part of killing sprees in the Muslim lands while doing the dirty work for the Jewish  Neo cons (I gave the list that you ignored selectively) , you have an option to denounce it and show some empathy with  the hapless victims.
 
I chose to not endulge in a list and for what? The discussion is about Jews and your accusations? TI'm not trying to make it a political discussion as you like I'm simply saying in a simple context, all Jews are not cupable for what other Jews do when they abuse their power. I seriously don't care to go down that path with you on discussing the list of  the board of governors and neoconservative groups its about the statements you made about Jews, period.
 
I gave you the list and you ignored! why?

Like I said this conversaiton is not about neoconservatives its about a generalization you continually make.

Can you make some sense of your English?
Sorry let me "dumb it down." You make generalizations grouping all Jews in one negative category using the current wars and the current issues in the middle east. This is  unfair generalization, but then again comparable to the beliefs of Farrakhan in the NOI.
 
Read your post again and  think! You seem totally clueless even with a Phd my man! You are falling head over heels to protect the Jewish agenda and don't realize it!

Wow you are an idiot. Do you not understanding? Powerful Jews who abuse their power must be judged INDEPEDENT of other jews across the world. It is therefore unfair to say "jews this, jews that" and judge them only citing the abuse made by Jews in political power. I'm saying there are millions of Jews across the world and all of them cannot be responsible for what other Jews do. A young Jewish boy from the bronx who plays baseball surely can't be responsible for what is going on in Palestine if he has not lived there. With respect to Dr. Iqbal I'm not going to dispute entirely what he says rather, I think the souls of some blacks are indeed in the hands of the majority and yes this chain plays on and on.

 
 

 


 
 
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Points: 4752 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2008 at 1:28pm

The problem is that to you people every thing is crap!

(Hazrat Israfil � in his Amreekan mode)

 

Once upon a time, I had the pleasure or, you could say, immense delight of feeling that I had found a genuine philosophical friend, just a bit off the practical sense way, but nevertheless a great philosophical friend. I had hoped that we shall interact and cause to contribute some goodness to this pobre ailing and injured world, to the global atmosphere poluted by London and Washington thugs

 

Sadly, it didn�t take much time for the first layer of beauty and charm to peel off.

Over these past few months that I have been absent from this august Community, I notice that my role model seems to have turned into absolute, pure and simple American crap.

 

We call other everyone else crap only and when we are!
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Points: 3984 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2008 at 11:22pm

Sadly, this dicussion of lingustical semantics is getting us nowhere.

I propose we end this here rather continue w/ this "crap."

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