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"Lived in the UK for a summer, traveled to France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Mexico.  My other half and I enjoy Globe Trotter, and other shows to better understand different cultures.  I live between So. Cal., and Nevada, and am surrounded by a very diverse cultures and languages.  Last quarter I had a Japanese, Farsi, Spanish speaking students. "
 
You live in Nevada and S. California, you grew up in the Military, you have two expensive degrees, you are surrounded by Latinos and you hint that you are a teacher, yet you speak only English?

I live in an area with many Latinos and the teachers here, with no formal Spanish, still speak and understand to a degree. They have to as the classes are mixed and not all children are fluent in English.

Frankly, to be honest, your grasp of English grammar is lacking. I can point out several mistakes in the above copied paragraph and it is a mere four sentences.  I would have to be appalled at the higher education system if I truly believed you have double degrees.
 
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Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

Okay, now do you have valid support for this claim?
What the . . . . I am seriously tempted to use a word I never use. I will give you a valid support for the sheer fact THAT ANY ELECTIONS UNDER ARMY OCCUPATION are not elections.


Correct, but I am curious regarding your implication that the U.S. prevented the people from voting their conscience.
 
Just see how Anne Patterson (your Ambassador in Pakistan) is screwing up Democracy in Pakistan right at this very moment.[/quote]

Didn't she support the freeing of opposition leaders?  I do not know much about her.
 
Quote Great (I wont use the most appropriate word here) Amreekans saving and caring for the world!!! Idiotic boring cultureless, power maniac control freaks produced by an even more boring square grid street system.


The negative "Amreekans' implications, may lead to unpleasant implications regarding various Islamic countries.  Do you understand?

Hum, I never found the East Coast cultureless, however the Southwest has little to no real culture.  Los Angeles has a few bits of culture, but not much.Las Vegas had a small Guggenheim, but it went out of business.  There are reasons for this, as people would rather be out having fun in the sun, than walking through a museum.  This is also reflected in student achievement scores.

Boring, but practical square grids.  We do tend to be practical, and often adept at many trades.
 
Quote Get down from your ultra right wing horse and get straight with us. We know all these "provide me proof of this n deata for that" tricks of your DEBATE trade. The old Afghan is back after having total kidney failure and a mega Cardiac Arrest. And, in this very condition he will fry you.


Ultra Right horse. Nah, only a 16 hand buckskin, and 15 hand unspotted racing appy. 

Again, I was a Democrat for 50+ years, and left after Murtha and Durbin made more than one seditious comment, and the party turned totally Socialist, borderline communist.  Just a prochoice, feminist, Jeffersonian Democrat, similar to JFK, FDR, I liked Teddy too.
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Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

Originally posted by aspacia aspacia wrote:

Originally posted by Salams_wife Salams_wife wrote:

"Occupation?  Iraq had free elections, and has Sharia Law.  This irks many citizens, but this is Iraq, and the people must make their own laws."
 
I can't in all honesty agree with you there.  Many tried to vote in those elections and were forced to leave before casting their vote because it went against what the local militia wanted.  US troops were not stationed at all the poling stations and certainly not inside.  You can't know what was going on for that election.


Okay, now do you have valid support for this claim?  I did not come across this information.

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"US authorities say Iraqis will vote in the insurgent centres of Fallujah and Ramadi but officials will keep the number and location of polling stations secret until the last minute to prevent attacks."
  • 20 Jan 05: Political Animal Kevin Drum at the Washington Monthly reports:
"On ABC News tonight they had a report about preparations for voting in the city of Mosul. The original plan was to have 100 polling places, but because of the violence there that's been cut down to 40.
"The population of Mosul is 2 million, and you can probably figure that about two-thirds of that number are eligible to vote. That means each polling place will have to handle 33,000 voters. Even if turnout is only 50%, that's still about 16,000 people per polling station.
"Even 100 polling stations sounds like far, far too few. But 40?"
Karl Vick and Robin Wright, "Coaching Iraq's New Candidates, Discreetly: U.S.-Funded Programs Nurture Voting Process", Washington Post, January 26, 2005.
  • Robert Fisk, CounterPunch Election series
  • Dahr Jamail, "Some Just Voted for Food", Inter Press Service, January 31, 2005. "Voting in Baghdad was linked with receipt of food rations, several voters said after the Sunday poll."
  • Robert Parry, "Sinking in Deeper", ConsortiumNews, February 3, 2005.
  • Edward Herman, "The Election In Iraq: The U.S. Propaganda System Is Still Working In High Gear,"] ZNet, February 13, 2005.
  • Douglas Jehl and David E. Sanger, "Plan Called for Covert Aid in Iraq Vote", New York Times, July 17, 2005.
  • Seymour M. Hersh, "Get Out the Vote. Did Washington try to manipulate Iraq�s election?" The New Yorker, posted online July 18, 2005; July 25, 2005 (issue).
    • Excellent supportSmile  This is the type of information I am hoping for.  They eyes and research of others aids my research and analysis. 

    With appreciation.
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    Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

    Originally posted by aspacia aspacia wrote:

    Originally posted by Salams_wife Salams_wife wrote:

    "Occupation?  Iraq had free elections, and has Sharia Law.  This irks many citizens, but this is Iraq, and the people must make their own laws."
     
    I can't in all honesty agree with you there.  Many tried to vote in those elections and were forced to leave before casting their vote because it went against what the local militia wanted.  US troops were not stationed at all the poling stations and certainly not inside.  You can't know what was going on for that election.


    Okay, now do you have valid support for this claim?  I did not come across this information.

    Wink
     
    "US authorities say Iraqis will vote in the insurgent centres of Fallujah and Ramadi but officials will keep the number and location of polling stations secret until the last minute to prevent attacks."
    • 20 Jan 05: Political Animal Kevin Drum at the Washington Monthly reports:
    "On ABC News tonight they had a report about preparations for voting in the city of Mosul. The original plan was to have 100 polling places, but because of the violence there that's been cut down to 40.
    "The population of Mosul is 2 million, and you can probably figure that about two-thirds of that number are eligible to vote. That means each polling place will have to handle 33,000 voters. Even if turnout is only 50%, that's still about 16,000 people per polling station.
    "Even 100 polling stations sounds like far, far too few. But 40?"
    Karl Vick and Robin Wright, "Coaching Iraq's New Candidates, Discreetly: U.S.-Funded Programs Nurture Voting Process", Washington Post, January 26, 2005.
  • Robert Fisk, CounterPunch Election series
  • Dahr Jamail, "Some Just Voted for Food", Inter Press Service, January 31, 2005. "Voting in Baghdad was linked with receipt of food rations, several voters said after the Sunday poll."
  • Robert Parry, "Sinking in Deeper", ConsortiumNews, February 3, 2005.
  • Edward Herman, "The Election In Iraq: The U.S. Propaganda System Is Still Working In High Gear,"] ZNet, February 13, 2005.
  • Douglas Jehl and David E. Sanger, "Plan Called for Covert Aid in Iraq Vote", New York Times, July 17, 2005.
  • Seymour M. Hersh, "Get Out the Vote. Did Washington try to manipulate Iraq�s election?" The New Yorker, posted online July 18, 2005; July 25, 2005 (issue).


    • Smile  Excellent support.  This is the type of information to help with my analysis.

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    Originally posted by JihadX JihadX wrote:

    I hate America!! I wish i could pack up and move.. i wasn't exactly invited to this country anyway


    How so?  Were you ancestors slaves?  You can leave anytime.  Canada is nice during this time of year.
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    Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

    "I am one of the kaffir or infidels or dhiminis in the Middle-East, are you in the U.S. "
    "I read a huge amount of Arab media, especially while on vacation"
     
    Hal tal takallum Arabi? Keef haalik? Kulshi Bekhir?
     
    Fin katskun? Shehal mad wenta hna? Ash kat'amli? Wash fhemti?
     
    It's transliteration and if you can speak Arabic you should be able to understand.

     
    Quote I assumed that since you wrote this you understood, spoke, or read Arabic. If you are not living in the Middle East and do not understand the language how have you become so intimately acquainted with all things Arab and Muslim?



    I read the English versions, and most Muslims do not speak Arabic, hence, according to your logic they cannot be familiar with Middle-Eastern issues and media as well. This old chestnut does not work.
     
    "Yes, so did my brother, uncles, mother and father.  Father was on the tin can Roan when it was sunk off the coast of Salerno. None were lifers, but served their time."  "Also, I am monolingual"

    Quote I don't know which army your mother and father were in, but when we were stationed overseas we HAD to learn the language of the country in which we were stationed. It was mandatory in school. I learned German from grade 1 to grade 4, I learned French from grade 4 to grade 6, and Spanish from grade 6 through high school. No choice. The Arabic I learned on my own, although now I hear it is an option for dependents.  I also know some bad words in Korean and Italian, but that's from other army brats not formal training.[quote]
     
    ExcellentSmile  This is common in the military.  I grew up in a military neighborhood near Norton. Most of the children in the neighborhood could speak 2 or more languages, but if they stay in the states, they tend to lose the languages, as I did.

    [quote]So if both of your parents were military how could you possibly have escaped being at least bilingual? The odds of this occuring are astronomical. I'm beginning to think you're not quite honest.


    I was born in 1953, after my parents were honorably discharged after WWII.  I may have many faults, but dishonesty is not one of them.  My father was indeed on a tin can, and fought in both the Pacific and Atlantic theaters.  Mom survived the bombing of Plymouth. and was in the military as well.  After Pop's tin can was sunk off Salerno, (more than half the crew perished), he was sent to England for R and R, where he met mum.  My brother was stationed in Mainz, Germany. 
     
    [quote]Prove me wrong with some valid support.....
      LOLLOLLOL  Good jab.

    Do you want a picture of dad and mum in uniform?  I may be able to rummage around in my cedar chest and find their discharge papers.  I can do this, but will not be able to post this until tomorrow.
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    Most Muslims are not from the Middle East and are not experts in current Middle Eastern culture, which is not the same as the religion of Islam. Expecting all Muslims worldwide to be experts in Middle Eastern culture and norms would be like expecting all Christians worldwide to be experts in Middle Eastern culture and norms. After all, both religions originated in the same place and trace their roots back to the same beginning.

    Only about 20% of Muslims are Arabs and while Islam does encourage Muslims to learn Arabic to be able to read The Quran in it's original form it does not encourage Muslims to become Arabs or to follow Arabian culture. In fact, Islam leaves all culture out of the equation completely.  
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    The negative "Amreekans' implications, may lead to unpleasant implications regarding various Islamic countries.  Do you understand?

     

    Is that some kind of a threat? You mean the U S will be more nasty? Send more troops, create a hundred Falujas and scorch all the Muslims lands?

    Come on, we are waiting for the ultimate of your MIGHT.

     

    Didn't she support the freeing of opposition leaders?  I do not know much about her.

     

    Yes, the U S did act to get theose corrupt opposition leaeder freed who had pledged to act the US dirty script. BUT, your entire admin is blocking the reinstatement of our actual real independent JUDICIARY.

     

    All criminals are scared of an honest judge.

     

    Hum, I never found the East Coast cultureless, however the Southwest has little to no real culture. 

     

    The saddest fact of Life is that any culture takes a good thousand years just to germinate and then another thousand to mature into being recognised as culture.

    Comprende?

     

    And now on your Iraqi Elections.

    Just read my lips. Whether your soldiers were posted on the polling stations or not � AN ELECTION UNDER ARMY OCCUPATION IS A FARCE, A FRAUDULENT FARCE AT THAT.

     

    To the inhabitants of these lands, Iraq or Afghanistan, occupation is occupation be it by the US troops, Russians or who else ever.

     

    Comprende?

    Or just still lost somehwher in your straight simple idotic square grid streets?

     
    Just look at your own self and you will know why the whole world pities los pobres Amrekanos!


    Edited by Whisper - 25 July 2008 at 11:38pm
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