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Nur_Ilahi
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Adam did not disobey God. His greatest sin was he FORGOT. Looking at his beautiful wife Eve, he forgot God's command.
Robin, this quotation from the Bible give a depiction of a God is so Wrathful, so Revengeful So unMerciful, So Cruel.
I cannot swallow that as I believe in God who is AR-RAHMAN -MOST COMPASSIONATE, AR-RAHEEM- MOST MERCIFUL, AL-GHAFUR-,MOST FORGIVING AND AT-TAWWAB - ACCEPTER OF REPENTENCE.
When Adam and Eve realized that they have disobeyed God by eating the fruit they called:
"They said: 'Our Lord we have wronged ourselves souls. If You forgive us not and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers' " (Quran 7:23) And God accepts their plea: ".. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went Astray. Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance." (Quran 20:121-122) Edited by Nur_Ilahi - 28 June 2008 at 2:21am |
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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myahya
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Robin :�Adam did not
submit to God but rebelled by disobeying him and eating the fruit Jehovah told
him not to� This was not a so called rebel or disobedience. When
Allah swt commanded Adam and his wife to avoid the tree, they actually obeyed
(accepted it) without a doubt. After that Satan caused them to be out of the
state they were in. Edited by myahya - 28 June 2008 at 6:12am |
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Angel
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so in a way He is still a God, just not the calibre of the Creator. This point of yours makes it that there is 2 Gods.
On a stake upright?? And how did He stay up there on the stake.
I think the poster means, that did Jesus meet any of his enemies in heaven after rising up to heaven.
Jesus returned in 1914 ???
so the second coming has come and gone?? Edited by Angel - 28 June 2008 at 6:38am |
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robin
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Edited by robin - 28 June 2008 at 9:39am |
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robin
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Allah told Adam that if HE eats the fruit from a certain tree he would die, so it was poison for him. It was a warning, not to do things that would kill him (Adam), how can that be bad or wrong, would you not do it for you own child?
Adam did not listion so suffered form his OWN actions as God said he would, how can that be wrong?
God tried to stop him from doing bad, Adam did not listion to God, so how is God wrong when he tried to stop Adam doing things that would hurt himself?
If youer own child did things that you told him would bring pain, as you did not want your child to suffer, but he or she ignored what you said and did bad things behind your back how would you be wrong if you had done all in your power to stop it but, they took no note?
Your reasoning need to be looked at!
Because God allows badness does not make him the cause of it! Edited by robin - 28 June 2008 at 9:54am |
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mariyah
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Adam did not disobey God. His greatest sin was he FORGOT. Looking at his beautiful wife Eve, he forgot God's command.
Originally posted by robin And to Adam he said: �Because you listened to your wife�s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, �You must not eat from it,� cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.� Robin, this quotation from the Bible give a depiction of a God is so Wrathful, so Revengeful So unMerciful, So Cruel.
I cannot swallow that as I believe in God who is AR-RAHMAN -MOST COMPASSIONATE, AR-RAHEEM- MOST MERCIFUL, AL-GHAFUR-,MOST FORGIVING AND AT-TAWWAB - ACCEPTER OF REPENTENCE
I agree with you sister Nur! Edited by mariyah - 03 July 2008 at 5:23pm |
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Israfil
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Robin, you said:
God tried to stop him from doing bad.
If God warned Adam how did God try to stop Adam? By God trying to stop adam and Adam succeeded doesn't that make God impotent in will? Also, if God successfully stopped Adam wouldn't that violate man's freewill? Questions Questions....
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robin
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Adam should of obyed God as his creator, this he should not of gone against.
The warning God gave Adam was his help to Adam, as you say Adam had free will, which he abused in that he ignored God and paid the price!
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