WHY CHRISTIANS REJECT THE KAABA.

 

You have not proven anything. We already know that the black stone is revered as a piece of Paradise and that kissing it is encouraged. That does not prove that it is an item that is worshiped. I see that you will not admit your error and will continue to cling to the preconceived notions you had. That really does say a lot about you. Too bad.

I don't think she's trying to prove anything... she, and I, know nothing of your belief structures and are trying to link it to things we DO know to better understand the meaning. For instance, in the link with the pictures of the stone in situ, there wasn't an explanation of the stone representing or believed to be a piece of paradise... I didn't read the entirety of the myth--
Again, it is typical for folks to try to compare something unknown to something known. It is not done to offend, just to make a comparison that is "like to like". Catholics revere, kiss, and pray to icons of the Holy Mother... Saints... as well as the Christ on the cross... all that may be happening here is a comparison of something she's familiar with to behaviors that resemble something she's seen before.

For instance- the first time I ate a Kiwi, I said it tastes like a cross between a strawberry and a banana. It is neither- but to me it had the texture of a strawberry, yet the sweetness and flavor of a banana. Someone else might describe it differently.
Peace, I'm not, nor is anyone else trying to disuade you from your faith, we're trying to organize in our minds where the parts fit together.
To REVERE:to regard with respect tinged with awe; venerate
Origin:
1655�65; < L reverērī, equiv. to re- re- + verērī to stand in awe of, fear, feel reverence

Semantics... revere and worship are close- so, you say it is an act of reverence... ok.


And this exposes your shabby research skills. You don't bother to check your sources. You simply do a quick search, find a source which agrees with your views in principle and copy and paste it. Well done.

Even if the "right hand of Allah" claim was correct and it is an authentic tradition (which it is not), it would not prove the assertion that the stone represents Allah. That assertion, if is it based on that hadith, would be an interpolation, and not based on facts. Even the source you quoted said that the representation was simply metaphorical.

Ok-- Is the stone a metaphorical representation for the right hand of Allah... or a piece of paradise? I'm growing confused


Please-- we are using language we are not familiar with... If we misuse a term, correction is laudable. Berating a person for ignorance of semantics in a language with which they are not familiar is just being rude.
I'm a teacher of English in a middle school in Las Vegas, Nevada... I have had 19 language groups at one time. I understand the struggle... please, correct us so we do better next time... take a deep breath, and be patient.
Again, we're hanging our understanding on clumsy comparisons because we're just learning these things. The difference is NOT obvious to us. point me in a direction... I'll go look.
I do not mean to say that I'm ready to become a Queranic (sp) scholar. I'm not... school starts soon for me, and believe it or not, I work very hard to prepare for students from roughly three other countries trying to read and write in English, and some will be in their first year.
I'm in my first year, here.
It is as if you are dealing with babies... that can already read and write.

Another silly assumption. Since I have shown that most scholars from more than a millinium ago had determined that the hadith was not sahih, what makes you assume that "millions of believers who trusted that Hadith have been led astray..."? Can you establish that this hadith was widely followed? How could it when legendary scholars like Ibn Taymiyyah had determined that it was false?

As a teacher of language... the use of MOST here-- that says to me it is not proof, it is a widely held belief.

determination of a scholar, as well researched as it may be is a hypothesis... not a proof.
Religious writing is not math. It cannot be 'reproduced'.
Dueling philosophies is what brings us here...
I've got archeologists that place pagan beliefs and practices prior to Judaism, Islam, Christianity, and Buddhism... But I cannot PROVE any belief.
Neither can you.

You can support your practices. I'm here to find out about the practices... not talk you out of yours. Really.

I'm not out to make caracatures. I'm not out to convert. Should I go elsewhere? Is this offensive?

I do not disparage your scholars or your scholarship. I simply do not take support, no matter how many voices one can call upon to support a position, as a "proof". I do take it as support for a position. Not a thing wrong with support.

It just isn't "proof"-- You cannot prove a negative, either, so absence of voices is not a 'disproof' in my mind.

Hello Herbsinger,


I became a Muslim 5 years ago. And no there is no mention of praying to the stone, or asking it to intercede on our behalf. If you look in the Quran there is nothing to this effect.

As a former Catholic / Christian I am pretty wary of ever getting into praying to another person or thing to either do things for me or to 'intercede.'  As we Muslims are taught. go directly to God, which is in all of us.  Its really stunning when reading about the creation of babies.. and at some point the heart just starts beating (or not but different issue). That is remarkable.

Many Muslims here will share their religion. There are always one or two people that come here to cut and post anti-Islam stuff that really is often incorrect and taken way out of context.

It is certainly a test in patience. Sadly Natassia is doing this all over the boards. We have had other non-Muslims come here showing respect to others. So actually Islamispeace  has been VERY patient. More patient than I.

Welcome. It will be interesting to learn about your beliefs.