sucide bombers

 

the topic was weather the term sucide bombers is correct or not,and i explained in my way how west changes the meanings of words,its kind of psycological war.

 

allied forces joined hands to suppress the agression of hitlor and japanese but were they correct,what british did in india was done by hitlor in germany what is the difference between the two.after the the second world war allied forces shared the colonies which was held by natsis and japanese,so plz martha dont say that allied forces fought for their freedom only,they fought for their interest in colonies.i dont find any difference between natsis and british,what british did in india can never be forgeten by indians,they killed innocent they raped woman,they created fight between hindus and muslims the effect is still we face,has anyone heard a state called gujrat in india,hear in the last riots more than 1000 muslims were burnt alive and thousands of houses were set fire,muslim women were made stripped and raped by rioting mobs,the seed of bitterness british sowed we indian muslims still paying the cost of it.

 

supporters of allied forces say that they fought for their freedom another word you see they found for their deadly crimes.

 

who gave the right to allied forces to vacate 7lakh arab muslims in one night  from palastine to relocate the jews,u see another word relocate they have,its not they wanted to relocate only they wanted a base in the middle east and now they do whatever they want through their illegitimate baby ISRAEL which they have declared legitimate cause they have power,where is the state of palastine in the map can anyone say,this is another kind of psycological war where u wipe out the existance of a state when there is nothing in the map what you will fight for our children will feel we are fighting for a land which never belonged to to us.

 

martha gave an example of african fighting in the world war,i would like to inform that british ruled a nation like india with merely 20000 british officers the rest army was indian which includes muslims and hindus,these people did not fight because they thought british were right they fought beacause they were paid for it,it was their bread and butter.so you can say that they master in using your own people against you in exchange of food,comfort,or any unislamic thing.

 

i hope someone reply my post. 

I think we should be careful about this and please excuse my views if you do not agree.

 

This is not really about western propaganda. Nor are we limiting suicide bombings to the awful situation in Palestine. I completely agree it is wrong the way Israel are handling this and fully understand why the Palestinians act on the situation.

 

We are all aware that when men sign up to the armed forces they do so knowing full well they might die. It is a human right for any individual to decide on this. It comes perhaps from a sense of loyalty to their country and has nothing to do with personal heroism.They also know they might have to kill.  Again, one has to scrutinise his own conscience. Unlike other past wars western men are no longer conscripted into the forces...(unless you talk about the Swiss who I believe make it compulsory for men and women to do basic war training, and also Israel do the same and they serve for I think 2 years.)

 

 When refering to the 1st and 2nd World War conscripted men had no choice but to drop bombs and kill civilians...either on Japan, Germany, Great Britain, France etc etc etc .

 

We should also remember  that THOSE that voluntered for these wars came from ALL religious backgrounds, yet still fought regardless. Are any of you aware that thousands of blacks and asians in the UK fought in these wars? Not all soldiers were CHristian were they? We should remember this.

 

I am not in agreeance with any current war, regardless of who instigates it. But with wars there are inevitable deaths. War is odious. But wars will continue.

 

With suicide bombers they are random acts which kill people who even are on the same side. That kind of war  is based on misconcieved ideas about ISlam only. Nowhere does it say that jihad has anything to do with oil or politics. Jihad has it's purpose, I fully understand the truths in that. 

 

With western wars it is a combination of several things, religion can be included if you like. This kind of war can also be wrong but not always. For example Hitler wanted to rule the world and take away all freedoms. People everywhere did not want a dictator. Had he succeeded we would not now enjoy the freedom we have in Europe to make personal decisions. Ultimately the whole world have suffered the same fate. Blacks, asians, jews,christians, muslims would all have died by his hands. In fact he would have killed everyone that 'didnt fit in'. He wanted a blonde haired,blue eyed aryan society and 20,000 of them were born under the Lebensborn system. He wanted nothing else. Even the german children that didnt fit in were also murdered.

Can you imagine a world without muslims? Of course not. So Hitler had to be stopped. In these intstances war is sometimes necessary. I believe Allah made it possible to stop this happening.

 

So how can we have a legalised Islamic war where it is organised? Is that possible when muslims come from all corners of the earth, from different cultures and with different views? I somehow doubt it. Would that then be allowed under ISlamic conditions? Views please:)

 

In essence legalised war ( I use this term lightly by the way)is a form of organised chaos. At times it is necessary and at times it is not wrong.

 

 

Any soldier going to war knows that he/she has a high risk of getting killed.

 

The heroes of all the wars for which they are given the highest honour of their country; like VC in UK have all committed suicides. When a soldier does an act during the war knowing that the death is inevitable, is called a hero & honoured as such. What's the problem when a muslim shows an act of heroism in the western definition?

 

Talk of killing innocent people? What the israel has done in lebanon and is doing in palestine? What the US is doing in Iraq? What the US & NATO is doing in Afg?

 

Why do some of us gets cought by the self contradicting western propagandas? Is it Lack of Iman? That they are forced to think an act of heroism by a muslim to be wrong, just because of the western propaganda?