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    Posted: 17 November 2009 at 9:04pm
thanks brother,
thnaks for accepting my point.
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Salams, look they are killing themselves.Army Vice Chief of Staff General Peter Chiarelli said that as of Monday, 140 active duty soldiers are believed to have died of self-inflicted wounds. That's the same as were confirmed for all of 2008.

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Salams,WASHINGTON � Soldier suicides this year are almost sure to top last year's, but a recent decline in the pace of such deaths could mean the Army is making progress in stemming them, officials said Tuesday.

Army Vice Chief of Staff General Peter Chiarelli said that as of Monday, 140 active duty soldiers are believed to have died of self-inflicted wounds. That's the same as were confirmed for all of 2008.

"We are almost certainly going to end the year higher than last year � this is horrible, and I do not want to downplay the significance of these numbers in any way," he said.

But Chiarelli said there has been a tapering off in recent months from huge numbers of January and February.

"I do believe we are finally beginning to see progress being made," Chiarelli told a Pentagon press conference.

He attributed that to some unprecedented efforts the Army has been trying to work with soldiers through new programs.

Using some U.S. bases as examples of the trend downward, Chiarelli said there were 18 suicides reported this year at Fort Campbell in Kentucky � and that 11 of those were in the first four months of the year.

At Schofield Barracks in Hawaii, there were seven all year so far � five in the first five months of the year and only two since.

The Army widened suicide prevention in March in an attempt to make rapid improvements in its programs and policies. Army efforts to curb suicides also were increased Oct. 1 with the beginning of the so-called Comprehensive Soldier Fitness program, which aims to put the same emphasis on mental and emotion strength as the military traditionally has on physical strength. Basic training now includes anti-stress programs as part of a broader effort to help soldiers deal with the aftereffects of combat and prevent suicides.

Still, another jump in suicide figures for 2009 would make it the fifth straight year that such deaths have set a record as troops continue to come under the stress of two overseas wars. It compares with 140 in 2008, 115 in 2007 and 102 in 2006.

The numbers kept by the service branches don't show the whole picture of war-related suicides because they don't include deaths after people have left the military. The Department of Veterans Affairs tracks those numbers and says there were 144 suicides among the nearly 500,000 service members who left the military from 2002-2005 after fighting in at least one of the wars.

The true incidence of suicide among military veterans is not known, according to a report last year by the Congressional Research Service. Based on numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the VA estimates that 18 veterans a day � or 6,500 a year � take their lives, but that number includes vets from all previous wars.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Akhe Abdullah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2009 at 10:59am
Originally posted by fais fais wrote:

salam,

I never said nonmuslims are the enemy,i said the arm forces who are anytime ready to kill muslims,just waiting for the orders to go on a kill.so this is the result of their own chioce,if those individual bombers had power�of a huge army they would have done the same thing defeat allied forces�they dont have power so�they doing it individually.��
Wa Alaikum As Salam brother Fais,Sense the topic is about so-called suicide bombers and not non-muslim being the enemies.I completely understand your point I was trying to say the same.May Allah Bless you
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote martha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2009 at 5:41am
ok brother,
So muslim soldiers can be the enemy then if they are ready to kill other muslims? Unless they are not in the armed forces which would make them suicide bombers? Which is why I previously asked the question of is it likely that in the future we will have an army of muslims fighting for the sake of ISlam which we will then argue is justifiable and lawful .
I'm tired, lol. I need a rest. I will come back later. Salams
 
 
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salam,
 
I never said nonmuslims are the enemy,i said the arm forces who are anytime ready to kill muslims,just waiting for the orders to go on a kill.so this is the result of their own chioce,if those individual bombers had power of a huge army they would have done the same thing defeat allied forces they dont have power so they doing it individually.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote martha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2009 at 3:26am
Originally posted by Akhe Abdullah Akhe Abdullah wrote:

Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

I see no difference between Major Malik Nidal Hasan shooting innocent people( yeah in this instance US soldiers   were innocent as they were not fighting) and random acts of suicide bombings. It is WRONG!
Salams,May Allah Forgive them.Allah Knows.I know how it affects me now and im not Afghani or pro U.S/or pro U.S troops killing Muslims or Muslims killing Muslims or killing of inocent people.It is said in AHadith that they will get Jannah if they innocent, if they die in battle. Alhamduillah!


Salams,
Do you mean the innocent that die as a result of war? And those that fight and die in battle?

Lol, let's all run riot then! We are ALL saved regardless! (BUt only if you are muslim?)

BUt perhaps this is not what you meant bro. Not sure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote martha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2009 at 3:21am
Originally posted by fais fais wrote:

salam,


yes it is wrong to kill your own brothers,but if someone kills the enemy that is justified,�that ok no matter they fought the war or not they chose to be with thewicked people,they chose the ideology of the wicked arm forces.


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walaikum asalaam,

But who is the enemy? Non-Christians because they don't follow Islam? That isn't a justifed reason in Islam.
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