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Ron Webb
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Posted: 26 June 2008 at 4:53pm |
I'm talking about a water-fueled car; and plenty of scams have started this way, but not a single useful invention. Okay, I'll try just once to explain this but I don't want to get dragged into a debate about it because frankly it's just too silly.
Yes, hydrogen fueled cars are a great idea; and yes, hydrogen can be obtained by electrolysis from water; but NO, water is not the fuel (i.e., the energy source). You still need an external energy source to do the electrolysis.
The energy required to separate a water molecule into hydrogen from oxygen is exactly the same as the energy obtained by recombining hydrogen and oxygen, i.e. burning it as a fuel. There can be no net gain in energy -- in fact, inevitably there is a net loss due to heat, friction, electrical resistance, etc. An engine that runs on hydrogen can never generate enough electrical energy to extract the hydrogen it needs for its own fuel, let alone having energy left over to do any useful work.
Hydrogen fueled cars would be very cool because hydrogen is conveniently portable for cars and energy-dense compared to a battery (i.e., can store more power per unit weight). Generating hydrogen by electrolysis is a cool idea because it can transform a non-portable energy source (e.g., hydroelectricity) to a portable one. And fuel cells are very cool because they are much more efficient at converting fuel to power (electricity) than internal combustion engines.
But no matter how you shuffle these technologies around, and no matter how efficient or advanced they become, you will never get more energy by combining hydrogen with oxygen than you consumed to split them apart. It was called "conservation of energy" when I learned it in about Grade 5. Scientists now prefer to call it the something-or-otherth law of thermodynamics (I can never keep the numbers straight), but it's the same thing.
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Are you talking about the water fueled car? If so, how many other inventions started off like this.
There are a lot of protypes I seem to be coming across for energy efficiency and better for the environment, but whether they are viable or not it is a stepping stone for more investigations, this is the only way to develope and learn. The first computer was a huge thing but look at it now, small light weight and can sit on your lap
if you're not talking about this water fuel car, ohhhh well
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Science itself calls for investigation, lets wait for the demonstration first before we ridicule the invention especially when you don't know what it is they have done. |
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Ron Webb
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I can't believe anybody is taking this seriously! And I don't just mean on this forum. I did a quick search -- it's all over the Web, and hardly anybody is even questioning it. This certainly says a lot about lack of basic science education.
Trust me, folks -- DO NOT invest a dime in this scam.
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At least till now this car for now will not sell well in Saudi, becasue the water price still much expensive compare to gasoline. he..he.. he..
By the way even in the USA, if we go to gas station convinient store, the water price still much more expensive compare gasoline. For example in the gas station I visited a lot, they sell the 20oz bottle water $1.39 and 1 galon gasoline is only $4.59.
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This will be very marketable in South Africa, with the ever-increasing fuel prices :)
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Shaikh Ahmad Zaki Yemeni Saudi minister for oil from 1962 to 1986 was on Dateline recently, the interview can be found here. GEORGE NEGUS: So you don't necessarily disagree with those who say that we might be seeing the beginning of the end of the era of oil as a source of energy? SHEIKH ZAKI YAMANI: Of course when you have a very high price of oil - see what's happening - and every day we hear about a new invention here and there and they are reducing considerably their consumption of oil. But the day they use hydrogen for transportation, this is the day that oil disappears........ GEORGE NEGUS: Hope you were paying attention, Kevin [Australian prime minister], and Brendan [leader of the opposition party], for that matter. Sheikh Yamani was the guy, by the way, who came up with that memorable one-liner - 'the Stone Age did not end for lack of stone, 'and the oil age will end long before the world runs out of oil'. Edited by rami - 22 June 2008 at 10:51pm |
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