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The Qur�an on Clouds |
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Zaharah 
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 Topic: The Qur�an on CloudsPosted: 27 June 2008 at 9:14pm |
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lol Rami, that's funny
I just Love clouds. We muslims just love them all the more because of our belief on how they were and who created them. Allah is great!
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rami
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Posted: 03 June 2008 at 10:20pm |
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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem
if i have to explain it the humor and irony would be lost  don't worry it wasn't entirely directed at you, lets just say some Christians are a hypocritical when it comes to looking in there own backyard. Edited by rami - 03 June 2008 at 10:42pm |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 03 June 2008 at 6:27pm |
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I'd like to reply, rami, but I have no idea what you just said.
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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rami
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Posted: 03 June 2008 at 4:05pm |
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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem
Assalamu alaikum The problem isnt the Quran but the translation and assumptions being made and taken for granted. I dont think Ron web disproved anything truth light posted translation or otherwise even if i don't agree with it entirely. The point isnt "the Quran said it 1400 years ago" that is an extremely shallow understanding of the verse. Allah says Have you not seen how God makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it... . (Qur�an, 24:43) He is asking you to reflect on what it is he does to bring about rain, this is a much deeper statement. If you want to wonder in amazment how an Arab could know such things having lived in the desert all his life, while using "christian" standards of accepting things as fact when they are trying to disprove another religion....he got into a UFO the same ones spoken about thousands of years before christ and mentioned in the Hindu scriptures with some great detail went into the clouds learned about meteorology and the weather and came back down to earth. Becouse if it existed at the time of the prophet [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] or even before his time it automatically means that is how he gained his knowledge....right RON? Edited by rami - 03 June 2008 at 4:07pm |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Posted: 03 June 2008 at 12:43am |
I think we can all agree that over 1400 years ago science did not understand how clouds were formed.
If anyone here does not agree with this, please post proof that there were meteorologists at the time of the Prophet, or before, that recorded the science of cloud formation.
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 28 May 2008 at 7:30pm |
Thank you, seekshidayath. Finally we have a (alleged) source for these statements. Two, in fact: The Atmosphere, Anthes and others, pp. 268-269, and Elements of Meteorology, Miller and Thompson, p. 141.
To be blunt, I don't believe that these books are being accurately quoted. The books are over twenty years old and it will be difficult to track down a print copy, but I will try. Meanwhile, Google Books has snippets of the Miller and Thompson book, and you can search for words and phrases in it.
I searched for "small clouds" and came up empty. The phrase does not appear in the book anywhere. I searched for "joined together", and this is what I got on page 141:
It is not usual that isolated convective "cells" of this sort can be identified; normally, there is a tendency for adjacent cells to develop and join together.
Miller and Thompson were referring to convective cells joining together, not "small clouds". As for whatever liberties the Islamic commentators took in quoting the book, we can only guess.
I am not mocking the Quran, Truth_light24. I am mocking your attempt to interpret a very beautiful and poetic passage in the Quran as if it were a scientific text of some sort. Edited by Ron Webb - 28 May 2008 at 7:31pm |
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Israfil
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Posted: 28 May 2008 at 6:27pm |
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Truth_Light here is the low down how I perceive your remarks. I think you are self-righteous, over asserting that you believe in the Qur'an and God when nobody here is challenging you on that notion. I also think you are unable to commence in dialogue correctly because when I ask for your reference you lack it, and then challenge me on the basis that I'm disagreeing with the Qur'an.
Did you find anywhere in my posts where I outright rejected what the Qur'an is saying? Have I said I disbelieved in what Allah says in the Qur'an or what Muhammad says? I'd challenge you to find that here or anywhere in my posts. If you can't, then you need to read threads a lot better and carefully state your opinions that are accurate. As far as what you lay down I am merely challenging your statement that modern scientist have just discovered how clouds work. Cloud studies have long been studied way before the prophet Muhammad by the philosophers and those learned individuals of the sciences. I am not saying what god wrote is untrue in the Qur'an because that would be ridiculous, but your beginning statement which is presumably meant to reject the value of science by merely showing in the Qur'an 'God said it first' type of thing.
Well, I am not astounded if you all act this way, no matter what the Quran says you wont believe in it and keep on disbelieving, rejecting and mocking\
But who is mocking it? I have not mocked anything, nor have I said I disbelieved what you said. I challenge one specific thing you stated in your opinion. Unless you are referring to Ron you should address those issues with him.
"your challenges for me to �prove it� will just be ignored"
Then stop making generalizations about scientist and about science if you cannot handle criticism. If you have any rational sense "Truth_Light" you would know that people who are skeptical of the Qur'an anyway will not review Quranic material and suddenly "believers" it doesn't work that way sometimes. My main issue with your brief statement was its overgeneralization. It is obvious you ar enot using your rational mechanism the one God gave you by reading what I wrote. If you said" you didn't know" I'd respect you more than simply discounting a small critique of what you said. The thing I found paramount to all this is:
"Am not a scientist in the first place"
That is the most important thing here. You ar enot. You don't know squat about meterology. Although I commend you for your faith in the Creator and in God's word I do not like threads where your thesis is about discounting science and scientific methods because I am apart of that community just like I'm apart of the Muslim community. there is a reason why God gave human beings, the sciences.
Seekshidayath,
Thank you for your link. I am quite aware of the Qur'an on clouds and its formation. But the link you provided was a very good though. thank you.
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Posted: 28 May 2008 at 5:46pm |
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As'Salamu Alaikum,
Israfil check this link, and down you shall find references to it.
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