From where did the trinity teaching come?

Jesus is a lesser being that HIS God:-

 

John 14:28

I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.

 

John 20:17

Jesus said to her: "Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, �I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.�"

 

1 Corinthians 11:3

But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.

 

1 Corinthians 15:28

when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

 

Philippians 2:6

who, although he was existing in God�s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.

 

 

"I AM" is not a name or title of or for God.  It is just a 1st person personal pronoun that does not appear in the Hebrew Ex 3:14 and is not the correct translating of John 8:58 according to the Greek grammar:-

Edited by robin - 17 July 2008 at 2:18pm

minuteman wrote: Very good of you to present a verse of the bible (John 10:30). Please it does not say that Jesus is God. It says something else and the context is not clear. It simply says that Jesus and God are one. They are together. There is no difference. Jesus is from God. It does not mean Jesus is God. � �Please see that> Sometime when praying for some one we say, God be with you. Does that mean when God is with him, he will also become a God. I am sorry. I requested for an explicit sentence (verse) from Jesus telling me that Jesus said he was a God.

you just contradicted yourself. oneness is an entirely different concept than togetherness. oneness means they are the equivalent. togetherness means they occupy nearby locations in space. I mean no offense when I say this, but it seems to me that English is not your native language, in which case that is an understandable confusion on your part.

�Again it is a derived meaning. Please note it. Even Muhammad told us not to sin. Jesus did not say that he forgives

Matthew 9 1Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town. 2Some men brought to him a paralytic, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven."

my guess is that you will reply to this and say that Jesus did not explicitly claim to be forgiving them himself. The next verse directly contradicts that claim, because it becomes clear that the others in the conversation understood his meaning and accused him of blasphemy.

Matthew 9 3At this, some of the teachers of the law said to themselves, "This fellow is blaspheming!"

yes, if Jesus was a human claiming to be really old, it should be. but he does not say that. He is claiming that he still exists before Abraham, to say it more clearly, he is claiming for himself the independence from time that only God has.

The Jews may have understood that. But they did not believe in Jesus as a good man.

that is untrue, many of them did, or at least would have if he hadn't continually made claims of God-hood

�The Jews may have accused Jesus for making himself as a god but i do not see any such thing in the words of Jesus. He should have told them, "Bloody fools, don't you know that i am God myself". But he did not do that.

that is precisely what he had just done. He had named himself with the name by which God identified himself to the Jews for their entire history since the time of Moses.

Salmaan wrote: The fact that Jesus is subservient to a higher authority, both in the heavens and on earth, is sufficent to prove that Jesus is not god.

robin wrote: <FONT face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=3>The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: "The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]. .�.�. The mystery of the Holy Trinity was not revealed to the Chosen People of the OT." "One should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification." In fact, this authority dates the dogma of "one God in three Persons" to the last quarter of the fourth century. "Among the Apostolic Fathers, there has been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."—Vol. XIV, pp. 306, 295, 299. �

you'll notice thus far I have not been debating the concept of the trinity, but rather the subject of Jesus's divinity. you just completely dodged the arguments in my previous post. if someone could take the time to respond to those it would be great.