From where did the trinity teaching come?

Mansoor_ali wrote:  To Douggg  Your god Allah has 99 names.   All equal.  Is your god's name "the Truth"?  Yes.   Jesus with his own mouth said I am the Truth....John 14:6  Response by brother Ali Ataie:  The Christian may inform you that Jesus claimed to be "the truth," or al-Haqq in Arabic, which is one of the Divine attributes of God mentioned in the Qur�an. "He is using a divine attribute to refer to himself, an attribute found in your scripture," he will say. Inform him that the words Ra�uf and Rahim, mean Kind and Merciful respectively, are also attributed to God in the Qur�an. However, Allah reveals in Surah Tawbah, verse 128: "Now hath come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves: it grieves him that ye should perish: ardently anxious is he over you: to the Believers he is most kind and merciful" (Qur�an 9:128). The words Allah used to describe the character of his Beloved are Ra�uf and Rahim, two of the divine attributes! Does this make Muhammad God? Certainly not. He simply embodies many of the sacred attributes at a much smaller, human level. By the same token, we can say that Muhammad is Great, Noble, Generous, and Truth He is not, however, "The Creator," or "The Giver of Life and Death." These attributes are solely for God and nowhere does Jesus ever claim to be these things.(Source)

Mansoor_ali wrote: Response by brother Ali Ataie:  The Christian may inform you that Jesus claimed to be "the truth," or al-Haqq in Arabic, which is one of the Divine attributes of God mentioned in the Qur�an. "He is using a divine attribute to refer to himself, an attribute found in your scripture," he will say. Inform him that the words Ra�uf and Rahim, mean Kind and Merciful respectively, are also attributed to God in the Qur�an. However, Allah reveals in Surah Tawbah, verse 128: "Now hath come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves: it grieves him that ye should perish: ardently anxious is he over you: to the Believers he is most kind and merciful" (Qur�an 9:128). The words Allah used to describe the character of his Beloved are Ra�uf and Rahim, two of the divine attributes! Does this make Muhammad God? Certainly not. He simply embodies many of the sacred attributes at a much smaller, human level. By the same token, we can say that Muhammad is Great, Noble, Generous, and Truth He is not, however, "The Creator," or "The Giver of Life and Death." These attributes are solely for God and nowhere does Jesus ever claim to be these things.(Source)

Hi Mansoor, did Mohamed say with his own lips that he is "The Truth", "The Resurrection", the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last?    I don't think so.
I don't think Mohamed made any of those claims.    Nor do I think that others said those things about him.   Because those attributes are unique to God.   And Jesus with his own lips said those things about himself.    I quoted and provided the verses.

Your source Ali Ataie is making a strawman argument because the two attributes of kind and merciful are not the three attributes that I referred to.

Doug L.

honeto wrote: Dougg, you admit and agree with me on the point that no one was expecting God to come on earth when they were expecting the Messiah. But then you repeat the sensless phrase again "God came on earth  to be with us? and to pay for us through killing himself? "

Hi Hasan,

God entered this world to save mankind from the penalty of sin which is eternal death.   "killing himself" is a misrepresentation.   Jesus laid down his life willingly.   A person is either in Christ or in their sins.    Muslims are in their sins because they reject God's way to wash those sins away.    

honeto wrote: Dougg, surely, one cover up leads to many exposures!   Also you are putting limits to God when you wrote:"God entered this world to save mankind from the penalty of sin which is eternal death"   What you are saying is that for the Almighty to forgive sins is a difficults tasks or it has some steps or prerequisites? You indeed fall into your limited thinking my friend.

Hasan, it is not me who is putting limits on God.  It is Islam. 

You are thinking it is a case of God forgiving sins. 

Yes, Jesus forgave people of their sins, such as the woman accused of adultery - before he was crucified.  

What you are not getting by the power of the cross is that God because of Christ Jesus dying on the cross,  erased our past.    My sins, never happened.     Jesus is the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8 ) .   My sins were put in him before I was ever born.  

Unsaved persons, like muslims, will stand before God in their sins.    My sins, in my life here on earth never happened.   It is not just a case of forgiveness.   It is erasing those sins. 

You hard drive has every sin you ever committed recorded on it, waiting to be played back on the day of judgment.    My hard drive is blank.   My sins never happened. 

Knowing this, what can Mohamed do for you now!  Mohamed didn't understand it.  He never did.   He was deceived by Satan.