From where did the trinity teaching come?

Mansoor_ali wrote:  To Douggg  John 11:25(NIV)  Jesus said to her, �I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?�  I agree with this statement.He who believes in Jesus will live, by live it means you go to heaven, if you dont believe in Jesus you will die, by die it means going to hell. This applies to every prophet.Again Christ is not divine according to John 11:25.

Seems to me that you are only believing part of that verse.  Do you believe that Jesus is the resurrection as he said?  Islam says that Allah is the resurrection.
 

 


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Douggg wrote: Mansoor_ali wrote: I think you didnot read NIV and NASB carefully.Let me quote Revelation 1:8  I am the Alpha and the Omega,� says the Lord God, �who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.�(NIV)  I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."(NASB)  Now i am also quoting RSV:  "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.  "I am the Alpha and the Omega" this was a statement of God and not a statement of Prophet Jesus. Hi Mansoor,  the Lord Jesus is the Lord God.   In all of those translations is this phrase: "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty".   The phrase "who is to come" identifies the Lord God as Lord Jesus who will be returning to his world.   That's why I included from the end of Revelation, 22:20.  " Even so, come, Lord Jesus."  20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Doug, 

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Mansoor_ali wrote:   To Douggg  John 11:25(NIV)  Jesus said to her, �I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?�  I agree with this statement.He who believes in Jesus will live, by live it means you go to heaven, if you dont believe in Jesus you will die, by die it means going to hell. This applies to every prophet.Again Christ is not divine according to John 11:25.

Douggg wrote: Seems to me that you are only believing part of that verse.  Do you believe that Jesus is the resurrection as he said?  Islam says that Allah is the resurrection.

islamispeace wrote: Al-Ba'ith means "The Resurrector", not "The Resurrection".  The Quran also says of Allah: "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him." (112:1-4) None of this can apply to a mere mortal like Jesus (pbuh).

 Good point by "islamispeace".

 Allah is called "The Resurrecter" in the Surah 22 verse 7.But no where in the entire Quran Allah is referred as "The Resurrection".And as far as my knowledge is concerned no where in the entire Bible Jesus said "I am the Resurrecter" but Jesus said in the John 11 verse "I am the resurrection" So there is a clear difference.

 But my question to Douggg:Why Jesus said "I am the resurrection"?Is he talking about his authority over death?Because we know Jesus raised Lazarus from a death.

 

 

 

Mansoor_ali wrote:  To Douggg  Hi Mansoor,  the Lord Jesus is the Lord God.   In all of those translations is this phrase: "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty".   The phrase "who is to come" identifies the Lord God as Lord Jesus who will be returning to his world.   That's why I included from the end of Revelation, 22:20.  " Even so, come, Lord Jesus."  20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.  Read Revelation 1:4 and 5 carefully:  Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth(NIV).  You see the difference?The separation between �the one who was, is and is to come� and Christ can be clearly seen.The one �who is, and who was and who is to come� is God not Jesus Christ.  Recommended:  http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=150

Hi Mansoor, "...and from Jesus Christ" is verifying that he is the Almighty who is, who was, and who is to come.    Is Mohamed's god Allah "is to come"?
Jesus is coming.

Why didn't the disciples call Jesus or refer to Jesus as Jesus "Christ" during his ministry years?  Except here, Matt 16:13-17.  Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.   In the ot, God says He is the only Savior.

Yet, why did Jesus make such a point of referring to himself as the Son of Man, even when he returns to this earth in great glory?     It is because God became one of us, the Son of Man, that we may know Him forever, and in order to have that fellowship we have to be cleaned up washed from our sins and recreated, which Christians are looking forward to completion on the day of our resurrection, or if we are alive at the time, being changed in the twinkling of an eye.   For we cannot stand before him in our sins.

Muslims reject God's offer and think that 50% clean is good enough.    Who said in the gospels, "if thou be the Son of God..."?     Mohamed also says that God has no Sons.....so guess where that message came from?

Doug L.

 


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