From where did the trinity teaching come?

 To AgnesDei

 "That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father"(John 5:23)
 
 How can you honour Jesus like the Father? Well here is a list of ways to honour Jesus as the Father:

1- Believe in Jesus as a prophet and not a liar

2- Help him

3- Obey him

So this is how you would obey Jesus as you honour the Father.

You cannot honour Jesus by praying to him like you do with the Father, why? Well because Jesus himself taught you to pray to the Father and not to himself:

 Matthew 6:1-15

 ¹Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

 ²Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

 ³But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

 ⁴That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

 ⁵And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

 ⁶But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

 ⁷But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

 ⁸Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

 ⁹After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

 ¹⁰Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

 ¹¹Give us this day our daily bread.

 ¹²And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

 ¹³And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

 ¹⁴For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

 ¹⁵But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 So notice Jesus teaches men how to pray to the Father and so on, not to himself, therefore you cannot pray to Jesus in honour to him, because Jesus never asked for it, and the reason he never asked for it is because HE IS NOT GOD.

 Secondly, Jesus himself stated that the Father is greater than him(John 14:28)

 Jesus in John 14:28 states the Father is greater than him, so this also shows that you cannot honour Jesus as the Father, to do so would be a SIN. How can you honour a creation, a man who is lesser than God with God! How? This is a major sin to make this man Jesus equal with God when this man Jesus said the Father is GREATER THAN ME.

As we have seen, this verse does not prove Jesus is God, not even close. When read in context it proves Jesus is not God but a prophet of God who is sent to the children of Israel and to make them believe in the one true God who sent him.

honeto wrote: To Agnes, I  think Mansoor is right when he says that you put words in Jesus' mouth and let me show how. You claim Jesus is God. You cannot produce a single claim and clarification by Jesus himself where he said: " I am God" you cannot.

Your god Allah has 99 names.   All equal.  Is your god's name "the Truth"?  Yes.   Jesus with his own mouth said I am the Truth....John 14:6

Is your god's name "the First" and "the Last"?
Yes.   Jesus with his own mouth said I am the First and Last...Revelation 1:11

Is your god's name "the Resurrection"?   Yes.
Jesus with his own mouth said I am the Resurrection....John 11:25


Doug L

 To Douggg

 Your god Allah has 99 names.   All equal.  Is your god's name "the Truth"?  Yes.   Jesus with his own mouth said I am the Truth....John 14:6

Is your god's name "the First" and "the Last"?
Yes.   Jesus with his own mouth said I am the First and Last...Revelation 1:11

Is your god's name "the Resurrection"?   Yes.
Jesus with his own mouth said I am the Resurrection....John 11:25

 Quran describes various attributes of Allah Almighty.Among them are Ra'uf and Rahim meaning Kind and Merciful.In Surah 9:28,Prophet Muhammad is also described as Ra'uf and Rahim so its mean Muhammad is also God?Ofcourse not.Prophet Muhammad is Ra'uf and Rahim in a limited sense unlike Allah.
Same thing is applied to John 14:6,Revelation 1:11 and John 11:25 when you compare to Allah's attributes.

 

 

Mansoor_ali wrote:  To Douggg  Your god Allah has 99 names.   All equal.  Is your god's name "the Truth"?  Yes.   Jesus with his own mouth said I am the Truth....John 14:6 Is your god's name "the First" and "the Last"? Yes.   Jesus with his own mouth said I am the First and Last...Revelation 1:11 Is your god's name "the Resurrection"?   Yes. Jesus with his own mouth said I am the Resurrection....John 11:25  Quran describes various attributes of Allah Almighty.Among them are Ra'uf and Rahim meaning Kind and Merciful.In Surah 9:28,Prophet Muhammad is also described as Ra'uf and Rahim so its mean Muhammad is also God?Ofcourse not.Prophet Muhammad is Ra'uf and Rahim in a limited sense unlike Allah. Same thing is applied to John 14:6,Revelation 1:11 and John 11:25 when you compare to Allah's attributes.

Hi Mansoor, why would you even think that Mohamed was kind and merciful, I have no idea.   Did Mohamed say about himself, with his own mouth,
that he was kind and merciful?   Anyway....

Being kind and merciful attribute is not the same uniqueness as being "the resurrection", "the First and Last", and "the Truth".   No person can say those things about himself without meaning that he is saying that he is God.  

What other person dares to say that he is "the resurrection", "the First and Last", and "the Truth" ?