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honeto 
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 Posted: 29 May 2008 at 12:52pm |
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believer,
I don't think the matter is as confusing as you seem. Its much simpler.
Let me recap and make it further simple:
You claimed that "All men are sinners and fall short of the righteousness of GOD."
I agree all men may be sinners, but men can be righteous. I quoted your Bible to prove my point: Genesis 6:9 "Noah was a righteous man"
Then you said, "righteous but not sinless" (thus needing Jesus' sacrifice for salvation)
I showed in reponse that to the righteous God will show His Mercy and forgive their mistakes toward salvation. (no sacrifice or ransom needed, remmeber God has power over everything, if He says "I forgive", is there anything or anyone that can challange that?
And I quoted these verses from your book:
Psalm 34:19
A righteous man may have many troubles, but the LORD delivers him from them all. Matthew 13:43
Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. If there is still any confusion, let me know and I will explain further,
Hasan Edited by honeto - 29 May 2008 at 12:58pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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believer
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Posted: 29 May 2008 at 6:30am |
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There is still that debt to be paid to even the scales.
It may not be that GOD demands egual scales of justice but that is just the nature of GOD. GOD's brillance of morality and what is good and right.
We can not look GOD in the face, His pure goodness.
Sorry, I can't seem to explain this idea any better.
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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honeto
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Posted: 21 May 2008 at 3:12pm |
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believer,
you were talking of 'righteousness' when you said: "All men are sinners and fall short of the righteousness of GOD." and not sinlessness.
I agree that probably none can be sinless, but many can be righteous. And it is righteous to whom God has promised forgiveness and Salvation.
The quote says that Noah was righteous.
And according to the following quotes righteous will be the ones that God will reward the heaven to, that is in contrast to the Christian rhetoric that God needs a sacrifice for us to achieve salvation.
Psalm 34:19
A righteous man may have many troubles, but the LORD delivers him from them all. Matthew 13:43
Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. So the righteous will be successful in the hereafter even according to what's left of the previous scriptures, and the Quran confirms it.
3:15..."For the righteous are Gardens in nearness to their Lord, with rivers flowing beneath; therein is their eternal home; with companions pure, and the good pleasure of God."
Hasan Edited by honeto - 21 May 2008 at 3:16pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Posted: 20 May 2008 at 6:23am |
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yes, blamelss up to that time, but not perfectly sinless-
20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness.
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honeto
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 5:20pm |
believer,
you are stuck with someone else's catchy pharses that do not work most of the time. This is just one example. Read this:
Genesis 6:9
This is the account of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God. |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 3:33pm |
Tariq have you ever read the Bible? Why is this font so big!!!Luke 18Jesus Again Predicts His Death 31Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. 33On the third day he will rise again." |
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John 3
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Tariq
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Posted: 16 May 2008 at 4:17pm |
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Is there a single verse in bible in injeel new testement that jesus Peace be upon him said i am going to sacrifice for the sins of humanity, which is logically cant be proved because by this all the teachings of bible will go in vain. Second did he said i must remain in hell for four days as the christanity believes about him. Third did he said after believing in my salvation or sacrifice do good deeds so then you get pass out of the hell, If so why good deeds when he has sacrificed for the sins of humanity. Fifth why does GOD according to christian belief put his son in hell fire when he is so loving. Does any father does like that. ANd you mentioned this verse from bible John 3 |
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Saladin
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Posted: 16 May 2008 at 2:25am |
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If GOD pardons osama bin laden because he turned to Christ and asks forgiveness then I must accept that GOD is just.
Isnt God only enough for pardon?
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