Jesus was crucified according to historia

Caringheart wrote: truthfull wrote: 004:157 Maulana      : And for their saying: We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah, and they killed him not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, but he was made to appear to them as such. And certainly those who differ therein are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge about it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for certain: Greetings truthful,Is anyone really able to make sense out of the many things which Muhammad/allah said?I understand this verse to be a reference to the fact that, while it was the Jews that desired it, it was the Romans who actually ordered the crucifixion of Yshwe... so therefore who could really take claim, or credit, for the death of Yshwe...�therefore 'it only appeared' ? as if the Jews had done it... and therefore people were in dispute on the matter.� If people were arguing whether it was the Jews or the Romans that killed Yshwe it seems to me that Muhammad may have misunderstood what the arguments were about.� He wasn't very clear in what he was trying to say.As I mentioned before jews are killer Of prophets Othere than Yshwe(known as Jesus) what deaths of prophets do you believe the Jews were responsible for?Shukran and salaam.Caringheart

Sorry for being late but usually I don't
Check answers

I am used to get alert about reply


Jews tend to crucify jesus nothing to do with Rome

Jesus Is Handed Over to Pilate by the Jewish Opponents (18:28-32 ...

Bible source :

http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/ivp-nt/Jesus-Is-Handed-Over-Pilate-Jewish

On that period of time Rome were pagan

And even christian were not excit

Here timothy ( Rome) convert to judaism
And he. Get circumscied

That is prove rome were pagan

Acts 16:3 ►
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Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.


Even there emperor were no christian nor jews

Called constantine

He come with idea jesus god through nicaea council

Nicaea in Bithynia by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This first ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom.[5]

Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Christological issue of the nature of the Son of God and his relationship to God the Father,[3] the construction of the first part of the Creed of Nicaea,

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Many non muslim wrote about this event
One of them called Walter nigg in his book the heretics


� jesus him self waas called as king of jews
He was not called as king of christian

As Pilate him self. Asked him to make sure
If he is jesus or not

Mark 15

As I mentioned above

Jews saying we killed jesuss

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M539PgDjbas

So there is no. Salvation

Even jews. Are waiting Massaih prophet not god


Page related to jews


JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/


� read mark 15 ve luke 13:31
It is talking about crucify as conspiracy

Hebrew 5 say jesus was asking allah to save
Him

Hebrew 5 :

Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. 8�Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. 9�And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, 10�being designated by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Prophet muhamd didn't come to argue
He just illustrated truth for people

There was conspiracy to kill jesus
But Allah did save him

He went to heaven

Man that was crucified
Turned look like jesus
He is not as miracle

They thought he is jesus but he wasn't

Jesus already said he is prophet
So if they crucify him
There is no chance to go back to life
Because human don't return once they die

Conspiracy to caught jesus in old testament

Psalm 91

I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3�Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.


�her is talking those who trying
To catch him will fall in traap they made
By turning look like jesus

Psalm 91

Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

� angel will take to heaven
And nothing hurt him and he will live long
Until his return

There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

Psalm 91
11�For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12�They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

13�Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

14�Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

15�He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

16�With long life

� I don't say anything from my
Words

So please don't ask if
I am bringing words from
My own incilation

it is bible not me

Those are ancient jews

Jews cutting head of pabtista john

Matthew 14:8 ►
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Prompted by her mother, she said, "Give me here on a platter the head of John the Baptist."


Please don't take it personal

I am just telling what happened on that period of time
From bible not from quran

Not my words.

Sorry I don't mean to hurt your feeling

But this what mentioned

It was mentioned jews rebel moses massage

Excouds 32

And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

Caringheart wrote: honeto wrote: We Muslims more so celebrate lives of the prophets not their deaths. Greetings Hasan, Is this entirely true?  Isn't Ali celebrated and remembered as much because of the way in which he died as anything else? (forgive me if this is a Shia and not Sunni tradition... perhaps you can clarify - Shukran) asalaam, Caringheart

Well for one thing, Hazrat Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) was not a prophet.  Both Sunnis and Shias agree on that, but Shias do emphasize the deaths of Ali and his sons, especially Hussein (may Allah be pleased with him). 


Edited by islamispeace - 08 July 2014 at 3:37pm

honeto wrote: Larry, can you tell me if any of that relates to what we are talking about or to the subject? How is the weather on your end by the way? LOL! Hasan

Edited by Power of GOD - 24 July 2014 at 12:37am

Allah Spreads the False Religion He Accidentally Started

If you follow the teachings of Islam through to their logical conclusion, we see that God either intentionally or unintentionally started Christianity. But the Qur�an doesn�t stop there. Instead of correcting the mess he made, Allah took Christianity to the next level.

 The Qur�an states that Allah helped spread Christianity. Once God had caused belief in Jesus death and resurrection, he then worked diligently to aid the Christians in spreading their false message:

O you who believe! be helpers (in the cause) of Allah, as [Jesus] son of Marium said to (his) disciples: Who are my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the cause) of Allah. So a party of the children of Israel believed and another party disbelieved; then We aided those who believed against their enemy, and they became uppermost.

This verse is extremely important, for it means that Allah helped the followers of Jesus against the Jews who rejected Jesus, and that these followers �became uppermost.� So who were these followers of Jesus who became stronger than the Jews? The only people in history who fit such a description are orthodox Christians, who believe in Jesus� death, resurrection, and divinity. In other words, Muslims can�t claim here that Jesus� message was corrupted and that the true Gospel was wiped out, because that clearly isn�t the group that the Qur�an refers to in this passage. Even if there was a group of first century Muslim-Christians, this group never gained an upper hand over anyone. Indeed, they must have been snuffed out immediately. The only group of Jesus� followers that ever became strong enough to overshadow the Jews was composed of Christians, once Christianity had spread throughout the Roman Empire. These Christians believed in the foundational doctrines that Christians hold even today. Yet, according to the Qur�an, Allah helped these people rise to power!

How, then, did Christianity spread and become the dominant world religion? It spread by the power of Allah! And who started the Christian message about Jesus� death on the cross? God invented this message! Even non-Christian historians are convinced that Jesus� death is one of history�s best-established facts. Where did historians get this idea? They got it from God, who tricked so many people into believing in Jesus� death that we now have tons of historical evidence for this event. Since there are roughly two billion Christians on earth at the present moment, it seems that Jesus and God are responsible for starting the only religion in the world that overshadows Islam.