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 asep garutea wrote:

 Peace maker wrote:

 asep garutea wrote:

 xfrodobagginsx wrote:

The problem with islam is that it directly contradicts that actual Biblical eyewitness accounts of those who were actually there AND the historical writings of the day. Mohammad didn't live until 500 years later.  The Bible proves that the quran is false and you should believe the Bible, not the quran.  The prophecies fulfilled of Jesus in the Bible also affirm it is Scripture and the quran contradicts the prophecies in the Bible as well.  
Sorry, which Bible? The Bible in the time of Jesus or today? I'll believe in the Bible when Jesus was still on earth.
Therefore, there are some verses contradic between the Quran and the Bible today.
Do you believe that Jesus is still alive or has long died on the cross?

Explain first all the suras thats abrogated in the Quran then I will tell which Bible is the true one, cause your only scapegoat is a corrupt bible in matter fact all the different Qurans is false and corrupt,

There is anyway no proof the Quran is God's word you know why cause it can not be God's word but Muhammad's own words and stollen words.
How will I explain the surah that abrogated in the Qoran ?'if I believe that all the surahs in the Qoran are the Words of Allah.
You should prove it to me yourself. (It seems you are confused).
While I can prove to you about the different verses in the present gospel.

You yourself do not dare to say the name of the Gospels that you believe (Luke? Mark? Matthew, John?), Because it would conflict with other Pastors who are not the same book as you.

These are proofs that the Qoran is the word of Allah:

Qoran 10:38
Allah Ta'ala Said:

اَمْ يَقُوْلُوْنَ افْتَـرٰٮهُ  ۗ  قُلْ فَ�£ْتُوْا بِسُوْرَةٍ مِّثْلِهٖ وَادْعُوْا مَنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ مِّنْ دُوْنِ اللّٰهِ اِنْ كُنْتُمْ صٰدِقِيْنَ

"Is it proper for them to say he (Muhammad) made it up (the Qoran) ? Say, Make a letter such as a letter (in the Qoran), and invite anyone among you who is able to (make it) other than Allah, if you are a righteous person."
(Yunus 10: 38)

Qoran 11:14
Allah Ta'ala Said:

فَاِلَّمْ يَسْتَجِيْبُوْا لَـكُمْ فَاعْلَمُوْۤا اَنَّمَاۤ اُنْزِلَ بِعِلْمِ اللّٰهِ وَاَنْ لَّاۤ اِلٰهَ  اِلَّا هُوَ ۚ  فَهَلْ اَنْتُمْ مُّسْلِمُوْنَ

"So if they don't meet your challenge, then (say), Know, that (the Qoran) was sent down by Allah's knowledge, and that there is no God but Him, then will you surrender (convert to Islam)? "
(Hud 11: 14)

Qoran 15:9
Allah Ta'ala Said:

اِنَّا نَحْنُ  نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَاِنَّا لَهٗ لَحٰـفِظُوْنَ

"Indeed, we who revealed the Qoran, and surely we (also) are who maintain it."
(Al-Hijr 15: 9)

And many more.

It is impossible that the Qoran is not the word of Allah because since the 16th century it has been proven about the truth of the Qoran by scientists such as verses related to astronomy, biology, etc. Even though the Qoran was revealed around the 6th century, at that time there was no such knowledge.
Has the Prophet Muhammad made the Qur'an ? No, the Qoran is coming from Allah who created all humans including Jesus.

Your only witeness of the Quran was Muhammad where was the other witnesses come on noboby have seen Muhammad so called Jibrill which was not witnessed or seen by any of Muhammad's comrades.

When anybody seen the Quran came from Allah Muhammad's imaginary god.

Indeed, We sent the
Qur’an down during the Night of Decree. (Quran 97:1    By the clear Book, Indeed, We sent it down
during a blessed night. Indeed, We were to warn [mankind]. (Quran 44:1-3)

Then it was revealed piece by piece to the Prophet Muhammad.

And [it is] a Qur’an
which We have separated [by intervals] that you might recite it to the people
over a prolonged period. And We have sent it down progressively. (Quran 17:106)

With this in mind, does it make sense that God decided to
cancel out some of the verses or cause them to be forgotten and then replace
them with similar other ones?  Or does it
make more sense that during the 23 year career of Prophet Muhammad he forgot
some of the verses and was called out for it? 
Thus the Quran came to his defense that God himself causes some verses
to be forgotten and gives him better ones.

We do not abrogate a
verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than
it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
(Quran, 2:106)
Allah and your cult prophet suffered from long term memorie loss they can't remember.
Or how about the fact that the female companions of Prophet
Muhammad felt the Quran was unfair because it kept addressing men, and so Allah
decided to reveal a verse talking about women as well?
Take a look at this story as recorded in Ibn Kathir   Sa`id bin Mansur recorded that Salamah, a
man from the family of Umm Salamah said, “Umm Salamah said, `O Messenger of
Allah! Allah does not mention women in connection with Hijrah (Migration).’
Allah sent down the Ayah,   (So their
Lord accepted of them (their supplication and answered them), “Never will I
allow to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female.)
Yet again we have Allah adjusting what he sends down in
response to what people are asking for?
There’s another story in the hadith literature about when
Prophet Muhammad scared the people by saying 999 of every 1000 will go to
hell.  When he saw their faces change
color, he decided to adjust what he said by saying “actually, its Gog and Magog
who will be 999, not you guys.”  Then he
proceeded to make them very happy by saying they will be half of the people in
paradise after just scaring them. 
Prophet Muhammad was able to cater and tailor what he said in order to
make people follow him.
 Narrated Abu Sa`id
Al-Khudri:
 The Prophet said, “On
the day of Resurrection Allah will say, ‘O Adam!’ Adam will reply, ‘Labbaik our
Lord, and Sa`daik ‘ Then there will be a loud call (saying), Allah orders you
to take from among your offspring a mission for the (Hell) Fire.’ Adam will
say, ‘O Lord! Who are the mission for the (Hell) Fire?’ Allah will say, ‘Out of
each thousand, take out 999.’ At that time every pregnant female shall drop her
load (have a miscarriage) and a child will have grey hair. And you shall see
mankind as in a drunken state, yet not drunk, but severe will be the torment of
Allah.” (22.2)
 When the Prophet
mentioned this, the people were so distressed (and afraid) that their faces got
changed (in color)

Whereupon the Prophet said, “From Gog and Magog nine-hundred
ninety-nine will be taken out and one from you.