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Edited by minuteman - 19 September 2008 at 3:41pm

Wa'alaikumassalam sister Hayfa...

i agree with u that the debates are being streched for no reason...the important points in the 2 debates have been looked upon....and just to prolong it further, the brothers have done their best to change the topic of the orignal discussion..

well alhamd br.minuteman has stopped making rash remarks, tho br.seeks still havent managed to control his emotions...i have already pointed out to him....if seeks stop making comments like "shias are jahil,ignorant,blind etc etc" and stop changing the topic and avoid making worthless questions just to prolong the debate, inshallah u will see the fruits....i have already said, lets understand each other....and i wud like to thank br.minuteman for cooperating to an extent..

to br minuteman,
inshallah i will soon reply u, since u must know that we r bz with our majaalis and ebadaat as the big nights have started...

I pray to Allah (s.w.t) that all jaa'iz hajaat of u all be accepted and may Allah (s.w.t) give u the oppertunity for as much ebaadaat as possible in the nights of Laylatul Qadr....

Edited by asda - 20 September 2008 at 6:07am

br minuteman; 1st of all our mourning practices are niether a kind of ritual....nor an invention....infact it is the sunnah of Rasulullah to mourn the death of a "Mohsin e Islam"(ppl who served Islam)....history is eveident of the fact that Rasullullah mourned more than 3 days for Hazrat Hamza, Hazrat Abu Talib and Bibi Khadija.....and i dont think i need to give u qotes for this...infact Rasulullah never stoped ppl from mourning them.....
wat i am trying to say is that the Prophet (a.s) had stopped people from praying that Prayer in congregation...and i have given sufficient proof for it...ok..lets leave it since u have been really rigid in it...and let the readers decide on there own...

mourning for not more than 3 days is not recomended (makrooh) for a normal person.....but if someone still feel like crying, there is no haraam in it....cuz it is all natural.....

it seems that both of u do have a very big problem with our Mourning and Showing of love for Ahle Bayt (a.s)...and the Prophet (a.s) as i have said, did not stop people from mourning the death of people who served greatly from Islam....in ure case the Prophet (a.s) had stopped ppl to perform in congregation....

well i have tried to remain passive on ure crticism to our mourning styles...infact we can prove it from quran...

infact its a common fact that self-flaggation is a way to release extreme emotions....and we can see the pious lady Hazrat Hajirah, the great Grandmother of the Prophet (a.s) in the following aayah:
"Then came forward his wife in grief, she smote her face and said (what! I) An old barren woman?"
Quran 51:29


we can see this action performed by the Prophets (a.s) wen in grief..

Tafseer Kabeer Volume 5 page 158:

"On one occasion Gibrael approached Prophet Yusuf (as) in Zundh and conveyed the news that his father had become blind on account of his weeping for him. Yusuf hit his hand on his head and said \'O I wish my mother did not give birth to me, so that I would have not become the cause of such sadness to my father\'


not only dat; the 2nd rashidite khalifa had once done this:

Kanz al Ummal, Vol.8, Page 117, Kitab al Maut

When Hadhrath Omar heard of Nu'man ibn Muqrin's death he beat his head and screamed, "O what a pity that Nu'man died"



to add to that, Aisha had said:

"Rasulullah (s) died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my face along with other women".
Bidayah wa al Nihayah, Volume 5, page 420


therefore we can see clearly in my post that;
1) mourning for more than 3 days was performed for The People Who Served Islam.
2) The act of self-flaggation is a part of mourning as it comes out naturally...


therefore the mourning for ashura is not an invention; but it is something which can be seen in sufficient examples to be allowed and not a sin as u say....hopefully this has cleared ure mind...