Geert Wilders - Fitna

Thank you, Sign-Reader.  

Doo-bop, as for us, a perhaps final review (from my side) is in order.

You wrote: �The influx of Muslims into the Netherlands has nothing to do with the imperialist past of the country, as you [Servetus] seem to imply ��

I wrote: �I don�t know the percentage of Muslims in the following equation, but please read this and extrapolate ��in the aftermath of [Dutch East Indies] independence, hundreds of thousands of people of both Dutch and mixed Dutch and native-Indonesian descent moved to the Netherlands, establishing the largest migrant subpopulation in Dutch demographic history.��

You wrote:  �hmmm....key word missing here. Clue - it starts with "m" and ends with "m".� 

Thank you.  I was obviously never clueless.  The mysterious �m� word is only missing because you didn�t quote my statement in full.  I clearly said that I didn�t know the percentage of Muslims in the equation and, for that matter, until I do, I will not accept your claim, prima facie, that the colonial history of the Netherlands has nothing, or little, to do with the influx of Muslims into the Netherlands, considering the number of Muslims who both live and lived in Indonesia.

You wrote:  �As for marching off to foreign parts, I hardly think that the likes of Geert Wilders has that on his mind, more a question of protecting his own shores.� 

I wrote:  "I would not be surprised if, in his zeal to protect his own shores, Mr. Wilders would prefer to keep his country�s imperial and colonial past out of both sight and mind.  It is a common enough phenomenon." 

You wrote:  �Oh please.  Why would he prefer to do that?  Do you think this man is st**id?  Is that your problem?�

Sorry.  You are the one who speculated on what transpires in Geert Wilders� mind.  I agreed with you, in a way.  Is that your problem?   I doubt that the man is st**id, but, from this distance, which includes a serious linguistic divide, a factor I already acknowledged, I do think him at best logically inconsistent.  Does he want free speech in the Netherlands or not?  

You wrote:   �We are facing the biggest totalitarian threat the world has ever seen and the �west� seems to be clueless as to how to deal with it.�

I wrote:  �On the contrary, the fiercely secular and increasingly coagulant �West� is handling things admirably.  Take the Netherlands, for instance.  Until 1894 ��

You wrote:  I don't get this.  I am describing Islam as a totalitarian threat to the world, you reply by talking about immigrants �

Allow me to explain.  Yours is a compound sentence.  You were talking about two things: (1) "the biggest totalitarian threat the world has ever seen;" and (2) the �west�s� response to it.  I skipped over your first point to address your second, disagreed with you on it, and provided a few reasons for my disagreement.  You need not accept them.

I wrote:  That said, in much the same way that I do not go to Ian Paisley for my understanding of the Catholic catechism or to David Duke�s yeshiva for studies in the Talmud, neither do I go to �A 7 Syndications� for disinterested reportage on Palestine.  But I obviously don�t altogether dismiss the quote, either."

You wrote:  �You just can't trust those Jews, can you?�

I take most things cum grano salis.  That so-called news syndication is a bit suspect to me, yes.  It seems to have a dog in the fight.  I prefer, and it's only a preference, not an absolute requirement, to take my reports from those who don�t.  Call it my style, or lack of it, and it is as simple as that. 

Serv