Similarities between Islam and Hinduism

Salam to Ahmad bhai!

I have replied all other posts of yours. Sorry for not replying to this post.

I am kinda busy with this hectic work hours. Thats all.

Basis of Hinduism? If you are asking about the philosophy which we follow, then its completely Vedas. But philosophy is totally different from practices. When I said Vedas should not be considered as Hindu texts, I was saying that what is attributed now as "idol worship" should not be attributed to Vedas.
Got the point?

Vedic religion is different from the Hindu religion. People think that Vedic religion is a part of Hindu religion, but its vice versa. I say this because "Hindu" is not at all a local word. It was incorporated in the lingo after the conquest of Muslims. You call us Hindus, but we call ourselves Dharmins. You call Hinduism, we call Sanatana Dharma.

I even said that they are without begining and without end. This says it all. Vedic religion is not a historical religion. It always existed. There is no word exclusively to mean "religion" in any of the Indian languages and perhaps the East Asian languages.

The website you gave is about Advaita Philosophy, one of the philosophy of Vedas. I am the follower of Advaita and my post does not contradict with Advaita.

You asked me, "How about the concept of numerous dieties/demigods in hinduism?" Dieties and demigods are attributes of the One. God is One, but Its attributes are many.

You also asked, "....what do you mean by realization of One God and not followed?" Can you tell me what is meant by followed? Do you mean to say that "just believe blindly that God exists and It is One"? Concept of God is the most hard to understand. You cannot make others to understand that there is God etc. One has to realise by themselves mostly through introspection. God is the nearest to us. Don't you think God will answer us when we ask questions? He is the all Seer and Hearer.

Space and time are both part of creation. So when we talk about eternal life after death, we should not consider both time and space. The Creation has to return to the Source(God). When we return to God, what is the need of heaven etc.?

Aparichithudu.

Edited by The One

The One wrote: Salam to Ahmad bhai! I have replied all other posts of yours. Sorry for not replying to this post. I am kinda busy with this hectic work hours. Thats all. Basis of Hinduism? If you are asking about the philosophy which we follow, then its completely Vedas. But philosophy is totally different from practices. When I said Vedas should not be considered as Hindu texts, I was saying that what is attributed now as "idol worship" should not be attributed to Vedas. Got the point?

So you mean there is drastic difference in theory and practice among hindus. Hmm......That is understandable.

Vedic religion is different from the Hindu religion.

Now, this statement is again confusing. Though the terminology may be different depending upon who named it, but its the belief or doctrine that defines the religion. Now, if you mean Vedic religion comes from Vedas, then from which doctrine comes the Hinduism?

People think that Vedic religion is a part of Hindu religion, but its vice versa.

So, do you mean there may be other religions, other than Hindu religion, that are part of Vedic religion? Though its interesting to know it, but can you provide some examples of them?

I say this because "Hindu" is not at all a local word. It was incorporated in the lingo after the conquest of Muslims. You call us Hindus, but we call ourselves Dharmins. You call Hinduism, we call Sanatana Dharma.

 Hey, my brother, you have yet introduced another term for the religion which is totally unfamiliar, at least to me. I think, though others named you "Hindu" but then should have called yourself "Vedic", but I see another term coming up. What do you mean? Can you differentiate them (Hinduism, or Dharmins) based on their doctrines?

I even said that they are without begining and without end. This says it all. Vedic religion is not a historical religion. It always existed. There is no word exclusively to mean "religion" in any of the Indian languages and perhaps the East Asian languages.

This is no explanation for your statement of "without begining and without end". Kindly provide some details on it. Secondly why are you discussing Vedic religion (in general) whereas the topic of this thread is similarities between Islam and Hinduism specifically (if there are grave differences between the two) and not the Vedic.

The website you gave is about Advaita Philosophy, one of the philosophy of Vedas. I am the follower of Advaita and my post does not contradict with Advaita.

So you mean, you are not hindu but a follower of Vedic religion whatever you call it if not 'Religion'. Hmm!! But then you called yourself Dharmins or from "Sanatana Dharma". This is more confusing than ever since in the beginning of your postings elsewhere on this forum, you indicated you are hindu and thence onward we came to this thread to discuss about Hinduism.

You asked me, "How about the concept of numerous dieties/demigods in hinduism?" Dieties and demigods are attributes of the One. God is One, but Its attributes are many.

 Are you are saying this with regard to Vedic religion (and assuming it to be same as hinduism)? Am I right? Secondly, What are these attributes of One God in "hinduism" or Vedic religion. Only from my own limited knowledge, therefore may be wrong, many animals are worshipped in Hinduism and not just their symbols. So how can they become the attributes of one God? e.g. what does a monkey signify in terms of attributes of the one God? or for that matter the cow or a snake or the 3 headed beast and many more........to just name the few?

You also asked, "....what do you mean by realization of One God and not followed?" Can you tell me what is meant by followed? Do you mean to say that "just believe blindly that God exists and It is One"? Concept of God is the most hard to understand. You cannot make others to understand that there is God etc. One has to realise by themselves mostly through introspection. God is the nearest to us. Don't you think God will answer us when we ask questions? He is the all Seer and Hearer.

This is just a partial answer to my question, though its interesting and thus beautiful. The other half of the question is, how do you follow this belief or concept? That is outward reflection of this introspection. Why the demi-gods or devatas? Why not directly to this One God through one's own introspection? 

Space and time are both part of creation. So when we talk about eternal life after death, we should not consider both time and space.

Why? Do you mean eternity implies cessation of creation? That is not logical. Isn't it?

The Creation has to return to the Source(God). When we return to God, what is the need of heaven etc.? Aparichithudu.

 There are lot of missing links from your earlier statements to reach to this one. Nevertheless, when you say that "creation has to return to God", I would argue that this creation was never away from God.

Edited by AhmadJoyia

My Dear Bro The One,

I think I have already preferred discussing theory of religion over practices. Also, I can discuss the philosophy only if it is also considered part of the theory for preaching but not if it is derived out of the theory by some later day saints etc. However, due to my limited knowledge, sometime, I may refer to some practices but you can correct me if they are not supported by the authentic theory.

The confusion started when the differences between Vedas and Hinduism is made without elaborating on these differences and that too without even pointing out your preferences as there could be many other deviations in the religious beliefs to which one may not particularly associate with. Hopefully this shall now provide you enough to respond to my comments.  

Bro The One,

I think you can begin with answering my questions, if you can. Or you can let me know some basics of your beliefs such as Oneness of God viz a viz the status of dieties or demi-gods in your faith. Also educate me as to what is the difference between Upanishad and the vedas that you highlighted elsewhere but the Adviata website subclassify Upanishads as Vedic literature related to Philosophy. Similarly, I saw you refering Gita in your quotes. What is the status of this book according to your faith? Is this not a part of larger epic called Mahabharta or what? Since there are so many things to know, don't get overwhelmed with them and start from anywhere you like and we shall continue on this road as long as you wish. May the One God be with us. Amen.