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Truth_light24
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Rami, you are always in a "debate mode". We are not debating here, we are sharing knowledge. If you think you need to correct something, there is no harm in telling it in a nice word, something not in compelling mode. You seemed to always in a mode....you scare me
If am wrong, am not ashame to say am wrong and you are right. and in this case...yes! thats what I mean "mawlids in which bidah occurs" are haram to attend".. I stand corrected and thank you very much. Edited by Truth_light24 |
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And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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imp87
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Dp75: There is nothing wrong in looking back and discussing the life of the Prophet(saaws) in a gathering. The problem is to dedicate this day to one specific day like his so called birthday, which no one really knows which day it really was do we? Did the Sahaba's(raa) ever do this? The people after them? So on this day should people not go to mosque and talk about the prophet s.a.w just because it might be our nabi�s Bday and because you cant get your head around the fact that they do not celebrate the Bday but only remember the life of our prophet s.a.w and read some Quran? Is it better people go outside to party on these days? rather then be in mosque, learn something and maybe pray once in their life. And before you say we should be doing that everyday, well yeah we should, but reality is most people do not, reality is a lot of people go mosque only in Ramadan or Juma, and if this day is going to be a day where people go to the mosque and maybe Insallah sort themselves out, then I see no problem with that personally. But mainly because none of you produced hard evidence that it is �shirk�. I do not understand you people, just because a handful of people do wrong, you call the whole thing �bidah� and �shirk�. None of you have even produced a hadith or Quran verse that says saying it is shirk, stop accusing people of things they do not do, you lot are not doing justice at all. By the way, i am not referring to whether the celebration of bday is allowed or not, im just wondering why some are so against the idea of going to Masjid on these days and learning. And when one of you post something from a website can you please and please post the link of it below, especially if it is a rulling, so we know exactly who these ideas are coming from. |
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dp75
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As-Salamu Alaikum, There is nothing wrong in looking back and discussing the life of the Prophet(saaws) in a gathering. The problem is to dedicate this day to one specific day like his so called birthday, which no one really knows which day it really was do we? Did the Sahaba's(raa) ever do this? The people after them? If we do a history search on the celebration of birthdays we wil find a evil practice of shirk associated with birthdays. We should not associate this pagan practice with our beloved Prophet(saaws). Muslims should remember the Prophet everyday by obeying him, making the five daily prayers and thing like this. We should not associate one day to praise his life and discuss his life like Muslims have done in these times. Some Masjids never have any gatherings to discuss the life of the Prophet(saaws) except on this day. That is wrong and it is bidah.
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poga
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SWEETSWORDS 111 [ Most distressed DUROOD ] BISMILLAH By Poga Humayun Dundiwala Peace be upon you Without you oh our Lord Peace be upon you Without you oh our Savior Poga Say's in a foolington Maze Please admit us in your MAKAM Mrs Be Aql Khan Usta : MUHAMMAD ya RASULULLAH MUHAMMAD ya RASULULLAH MUHAMMAD ya RASULULLAH MUHAMMAD ya RASULULLAH MUHAMMAD ya RASULULLAH MUHAMMAD ya RASULULLAH MUHAMMAD ya RASULULLAH MUHAMMAD ya RASULULLAH Mr Barzakh Ullah : To direct EAR Mrs Be Aql Khan Usta : On the night of MIRAJ at the birth place of CHRIST Baitulham He [�Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! John chapter 14 verse 16
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rami
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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem
Then dont generalise this to all people on earth or use words like deviant its not hard to rephrase something. Ive been to many mawlids were nothing bad occurs so should we now say they are also haram....NO....you should condition your statment by saying "mawlids in which bidah occurs" are haram to attend. what you are saying is all mawlids are haram. Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Truth_light24
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Yes, minuteman. There are lots of innovations being done nowadays on how people celebrate the birth of the Prophet. To love him is to make him realize his mission to us, to follow the commands of Allah the best that we can and be sincere in our belief.
I am not a scholar either but I read and I think no one here is a scholar. I just post here what I read and believe in with a support from either ayah or hadith and its up to those who read it if they agree or not. I dont like debates. Sorry if "ignorant" words made you react that way but I dont have other terms to use other than that. |
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And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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minuteman
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The celebration in the form of discussing the life (Seerat) of the prophet s.a.w.s. is alright. That is necessary. But what goes on in India and Pakistan in the name of the prophet's birthday may not be the approved way. |
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rami
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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem
assalamu alaikum "Ignorant Muslims and deviant scholars" If you dont know how to discuss a topic then dont say anything at all, how do you know that every scholar in History that condoned mawlid was a deviant....the answer is you dont, you are simply shooting your mouth of and insulting some people allah loves, as they say in contemporary times "sucks to be you" on the big day. The celebration of the birthday of the Prophet is one of those "Contemporary Innovations". i can only draw one of two conclusions about this point, you are either ignorant of the history of mawlid or you are just learning to speak english, dont worry we where all there at one point in time including myself. You cant describe something that has existed in islam for more than a thousand years as contemporary, maybe you should research the topic properly beffore calling various ulumah deviant for no reason.....if remembering the prophet is deviant then what are you by that standard? �Do not adulate me as the Christians adulate the son of Maryam, I am only human, therefore, call me the slave of Allah and His Messenger.� (Bukhari and Muslim) you are stetching the meaning of this hadith to mean that one should not praise the prophet in ANY sence, a haram thing advocate for obvious reasons, what you legaly have to prove is that people are going to extremes in what they do like the shia on ashura becouse rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] was using the christians as an example of extreme veneration not as an example against ANY type of veneration. Our Uluma took there nafs out of the equation when studying these ahadith they didnt bend and twist the meanings towards there personal bias like you are doing. �You certainly shall follow the tracks of those before you�. At-Tirmidhi if this was ever a hadith against "any type" of imitation of christians then why dont we stop using the solar calander or rather the "gregorian" calender [decreed by Pope Gregory XIII, after whom it was named, on 24 February 1582 by papal bull Inter gravissimas]. He wasnt reffering to things which have a benefit in them such as remembrance and certainly wasnt intending outlawing things for the simple sake of them being new, if this is the key principle in your legal theory that you are attempting to establish then you should quickly stop using the internet br and not bother coming onto this forum anylonger its a bidah that wasnt around in the prophets time.....no doubt your commen sence will override this obvious truth [that it wasnt around] so why doesnt it override the misconception you have about mawlid. |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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