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    Posted: 24 April 2008 at 5:27am

2:6 � Innal-laziina kafaruu sawa �un alayhim a-anzartahum am lam tunzirhum laa yu� minuun�  (Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe)

Why would I changed the words of Allah?  On what authority? I will not change something that is so true to meet and support my opinion.

 Tafseer by mere opinion is prohibited as what the Prophet said:

�Whoever explains the Quran with his opinion or with what he has no knowledge of, then let him assume his seat in the Fire.� � Tirmidhi, An-Nasai and Abu Dawud

And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 April 2008 at 4:13am
minuteman- are there other words that you have to look to hadith to find the meaning?
 
In the original Quran it is written as kfr- correct?
 
Are there multiple meaning of  salat and Zakaat?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 April 2008 at 12:45am
Kafir=enemy??
 
I agree that there are different levels of kufr, but from where do you get that kafir=enemy? or kufr=enmity ?
 
If require we can write some comments on the verses of Quran, but you don't require to alter the direct translation of the verse itself.
 
Finally, why you have been insisting from beginning that we should accept your explanation of "kafir" without any proof, while you have been asking us to disprove you.
 
Initially it is upon you to prove that Kafir means enemy??


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 April 2008 at 12:37am
 Believer, we do not need your interpretation of the Arabic words please. We have a long understanding of these words from the pure Arabic. Arabic is the mother of all languages and is still a living and progressing language.
 
 We know that root meaning of Kufr are quite a few. It is used in about six different contexts, as some of them you have described above, such as to disbelieve,  to deny, to cover up etc. But the word Kaafir is a special word. It has technical meaning,like Salaat and Zakaat etc have a well known fixed meaning. We do not need to go into the root meanings of all those technical words. We do not need to consult any dictionary for those words. Their meanings are fixed by the various verses of the Quran and the practice of the holy prophet s.a.w.s.
 
 If we go looking into the dictionary for the meanings of salat and Zakaat now then it means that we are dumb and we know nothing about our religion. Same is the case with many other words in the Quran. Kaafir is also one of them.
 
 However, Thanks to you believer about trying to learn something about the words from the other languages. Welcome.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 April 2008 at 7:47pm

Have you seen this article?

 
The Quran states the following: INNA ALLADHIINA KAFARU SWAA ON ALAYHIM ANDHARTAHUM AM LAM TUNDHIRHUM LA YUMINOON, (Quran 2: 7).

Muslim commentators render the following interpretation: �God hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they incur. As those who reject the faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe� (translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali). The translator renders the following interpretation:

�Kafara, kufr, kafir, are derivative forms of the word, imply a deliberate rejection of Faith as opposed to a mistaken idea of God or faith, which is not inconsistent with an earnest desire to see the truth. Where there is such desire, the grace and mercy of God gives guidance. But that guidance is not efficacious when it is deliberately rejected, and the possibility of rejection follows from the grant of free will. The consequence of the rejection is that the spiritual faculties become dead to impervious to better influence. The roots kafara has many shades of meaning: (1) to deny God�s goodness, to be ungrateful. (2) To reject Faith, deny His revelation. (3)To blaspheme, to ascribe some limitation or attribute to God, which is derogatory to His nature. In a translation, one shade or another must be put forward according to the context, but all are implied�. (See Abdullah Yusuf Commetary on the Glorious Qur�an, numbers 30 and 93).

The Quranic word �kafara�, which is interpreted in modern days as �infidel�, does not necessarily mean �to reject faith�. Aramaic �kfr� means �the price of life, ransom�. Akkadian �kaparu� means �wipe off, redemption, ransom�. In the book of Exodus we read the following: �If a ransom is imposed on the owner� (Exod. 21: 30. NRSV). Paying ransom for life was a form of taxes. It was a natural obligation on individuals to buy protection for their lives. During the time of Moses, God imposed a ransom on each Israelite, the Bible reads: �The Lord spoke to Moses: When you take a census of the Israelites to register them, at registration all of them shall give a (kfr) ransom for their lives to the Lord, so that no plague may come upon them for being registered� (Exod. 30: 11. NRSV. Biblia Hebraica).

�kfr� also means �ransom for sin offering� as stated in the Biblia Hebraica: �Throughout your generations he shall perform the atonement for it once a year with the blood of the atoning �kfr� sin offering. It is most holy to the Lord� (Exod. 30: 10. NRSV. Biblia Hebraica). The term �kfr� is used to describe the �sin offering� as is shown in the following Biblical passage: �These are the ordinances for the altar, on the day when it is erected for burnt offerings upon it and for dashing blood against it�a bull for (kfr) sin offering� (Ezekiel 43: 19. NRSV. Biblia Hebraica).

�kfr� is used to mean �cover over, pacify, propitiate� as indicated in the Book of Genesis: �Let me cover over his face by the present ) so that he does not see the offense, i.e. pacify him� (Gen. 32: 21).

In the New Testament, the �kfr� (i.e. ransom) is no longer associated with the temple sacrifices, still less with payments of money, or incense, or even with prayers. It is the life of Jesus and his death by crucifixion, with the actual shedding of blood that makes the ransom �kfr� possible. The New Testament declares that in Christ and his death is all that man needs in order for his sins to be forgiven, and his life is �kfr� (i.e. ransomed).

There is no indication in the Aramaic language of the Bible that the word �kfr� ever meant �infidel� or �those who did not accept Islam�. Misinterpretation of the Quran led Muslim commentators to render an erroneous definition to the Aramaic word �kfr�.

It is important to keep in mind that the early copies of the Quran did not have the vowel signs necessary for vocalization. When the vowel signs were introduced at a later time, Aramaic �kfr� changed to �kafaru�.

The Quranic word �sawaa� has been interpreted erroneously as �whether�. Aramaic �shwh� means �to agree with� (Isa. 16: 6). The shift from /sh/ to /s/ and vice versa is interchangeable in the Semitic languages as for example �sham[s]� (sun) and �sham[sh]a�; �M[es]ih� and �M[sh]iha� (Messiah) etc.

The Quranic word �andhartuhum� has been interpreted as �you warn them�. Syriac (a dialect of Aramaic) �etnadrat� means �you give a notice, make a vow� (Syriac Peshito, Gen. 31: 13). Aramaic �ndr� means �vow� (Psalms 132). In Aramaic, letter /d/ is also spirant /dh/ like �there�. When the Arabic vowel signs, which developed later, were added, Aramaic �ndr� change to �nadhara� or �andhara�.

The Quran is saying: �those who used sin offering for ransom agree (Jews and Christians), whether you give them a notice or not, are not going to believe (i.e. in the Quran). In Syriac, the verse is pronounced as following: �holen kafore, showe �layhoon, etnadrat lhun ao lo atnadrat lhun lo mhaymne enun�.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2008 at 6:41am

Yes there were Christians then and even today that say they believe in GOD, but you would never recognize them.  YHWH does not like hypocrites!

I do not believe that YHWH would increase a person's doubt and hypocrisy.  Why would He when He does not like hypocrites?  Man is way too good at doing this on his own!!
 

Matthew 6

 1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

 2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

Matthew 23
13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
 
15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2008 at 6:44am

2:6 Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.

2:7. All�h has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting All�h's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.

2:8. And of mankind, there are some (hypocrites) who say: "We believe in All�h and the Last Day" while in fact they believe not.

2:9. They (think to) deceive All�h and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, and perceive (it) not!

2:10. In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and All�h has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.

2:11. And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers."

2:12. Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.

And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2008 at 5:56am
Can someone answer my question about -are there righteous non -muslim men that can marry a muslim woman?
 
I have been told that the words between (  ) were not in the original Quran and added later.  Read it without those words!
 

3:68 Verily, among mankind who have the best claim to Ibr�him are those who followed him, and this Prophet and those who have believed. And All�h is the Wal� of the believers.

3:64 Say: "O people of the Scripture: Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but All�h, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides All�h. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered ."

2:62 Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in All�h and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

5:69 Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, - whosoever believed in All�h and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.�

5:65 And if only the people of the Scripture had believed  and warded off evil and had become Al­Muttaq�n We would indeed have blotted out their sins and admitted them to Gardens of pleasure.

5:66 And if only they had acted according to the Taur�t  the Injeel, and what has been sent down to them from their Lord, they would surely have gotten provision from above them and from underneath their feet. There are from among them people who are on the right course, but many of them do evil deeds.

5:68 Say "O people of the Scripture! You have nothing till you act according to the Taur�t, the Injeel, and what has  been sent down to you from your Lord." Verily, that which has been sent down to you from your Lord increases in many of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So be not sorrowful over the people who disbelieve. �

Mohammad/ Allah is scolding the people of the Scripture for not following their Scripture! 

Mohammad was seeing the immoral behavior of the people even when they had the WORD of God- sad the immoral behavior is still with us today!!  ALL are sinners, not one of us righteous enough to be with GOD in heaven/paradise!


Edited by believer - 12 April 2008 at 5:58am
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