7 thunders of the Book of Revelation

Robin

All Praises for Allah (S).

Peace to all!

Sorry again, my pc was down so I decided to take a leave for Ramadhan, but as usual, as long it is up and running I always give you guys a spot check!

 Robin, I will not answer u on what is God�s name; I was thinking of addressing it from this angle. It is good that u replied to this thread. I will deal with it point by point!

robin wrote: Seven seals open into the blowing of seven trumpets, then into seven plagues. There are seven lampstands, seven stars, seven thunders, and many other things by sevens, evidently because the number seven here represents completeness, and the book deals with the completion of the sacred secret of God.�Re 10:7;

Good try! However, let me take u back to Isaiah so we can start first by hearing some answer from you.

It is mentioned in Isaiah 29:11-12 (NWT) 11 And for YOU men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: �Read this out loud, please,� and he has to say: �I am unable, for it is sealed up�; 12 and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, [somebody] saying: �Read this out loud, please,� and he has to say: �I do not know writing at all.�

Isaiah.29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is SEALED�And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Greek: Isaiah.29:12 KJV)

Who fulfilled that prophesy?

Muhammad (S) did:

History of Muhammad (S) from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_first_revelation

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Muhammad's wife Aishah, later gave the following narration of that most significant event in the Muhammad's life:

"Forerunners of the Revelation assumed the form of true visions that would strikingly come true all the time. After that, solitude became dear to him and he would go to the cave, Hira, to engage in devotion there for a certain number of nights before returning to his family, and then he would return for provisions for a similar stay. At length, unexpectedly, the Truth (the angel) came to him and said, "Recite." "I cannot recite," he (Muhammad) said.

Muhammad himself described: "Then he took me and squeezed me vehemently and then let me go and repeated the order 'Recite.' 'I cannot recite' said I, and once again he squeezed me and let me till I was exhausted. Then he said, 'Recite.' I said, 'I cannot recite.' He squeezed me for a third time and then let me go and said:

Arabic Text: بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيمِ
Translation: In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Arabic Text: اقْرَأْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ
Translation: Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth Quran: 96:1

Arabic Text: خَلَقَ الْإِنسَانَ مِنْ عَلَقٍ
Translation: Createth man from a clot. Quran: 96:2

Arabic Text: اقْرَأْ وَرَبُّكَ الْأَكْرَمُ
Translation: Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Quran: 96:3

Arabic Text: الَّذِي عَلَّمَ بِالْقَلَمِ
Translation: Who teacheth by the pen, Quran: 96:4

Arabic Text: عَلَّمَ الْإِنسَانَ مَا لَمْ يَعْلَمْ
Translation: Teacheth man that which he knew not. Quran: 96:5

It�s all about a �SEAL BOOK�

11 And for YOU men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up,

 Hi Br. Robin, I guess you relaize that what I am saying is Fact! And remenber I said: �I will deal with point by point.� So I will move on.

I break it down a little more: Isaiah 29:11 � And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:�

12"And" the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.[/color]

Point (1) Isaiah is having a vision of a "book that is seal"

(2) when that "seal book" is given to some "one who is learned" they would not "understand it."

To understand the Qur�an we have to use the explanation of Muhammad�s (S). It is mentioned in the Qur�an:

Qur�an113.  Had not the Grace of All�h and His Mercy been upon you (O Muhammad ), a party of them would certainly have made a decision to mislead you, but (in fact) they mislead none except their own selves, and no harm can they do to you in the least. All�h has sent down to you the Book (The Qur'�n), and AlHikmah (Isl�mic laws, knowledge of legal and illegal things i.e. the Prophet's Sunnah - legal ways), and taught you that which you knew not. And Ever Great is the Grace of All�h unto you (O Muhammad ).

  You see that! Allah (S) has sent down �two things� the "book and wisdom" and He taught Muhammad (S) what he didn�t Knew before.

  Commenting on this verse Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee's said: "Allah has mentioned that 'the book' (Al-Kitaab) which is the Quran and he mentioned 'The wisdom' (al- Hikmah) and I have learnt from the people of knowledgr that  'al- hikmah' is the Sunnah of Allah's Messenger (S).........."
 
Now,  Allah said in Quran16:64 And we have revealed the Book (al-kitaab) unto thee only that thou mayst "explain" unto them that wherein they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.

Exacly as Isaiah prophesy! With out the explanations (The Sunnah) �the one learned� would not understand it.

(3) "AND" the book is given to someone who is not learned.

(4) And he would say: "I am not learned."

   The Book of Revelation chapter 10 mentioned the "coming of another �Seal Book� which John did not write."

robin wrote: Seven seals open into the blowing of seven trumpets, then into seven plagues. There are seven lampstands, seven stars, seven thunders, and many other things by sevens, evidently because the number seven here represents completeness, and the book deals with the completion of the sacred secret of God.�Re 10:7;

 What completeness you are talking about? The completeness will only happen when that �Seal Book� would have reveal. Let me eaplain:

  REVELATION 10

  Rev.1-And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven. (V.1)

  Point 1: Another Mighty Angel: It is Gabriel (s) the messenger of Allah who brought the message to and from Allah.

   Point 2: He had in his hand a "little book open" 2: And he had in his hand a little book open:

  Point 3: Seven thunders uttered their voice: something was revealing: 3...And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voice.

  Point 4: John was about to write what was revealing: 4-And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, �I was about to write�:

  Point 5: and he heard a voice: and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunder utters, �and write them not�. (Rev.10:4)  The angel brought the little book and John was order �not to write down the message in that book,� because the time was not right. �So it is not the bible,� because the bible is a �written book� and it (the bible) is telling us about �another little book.�

  Which book is that? 

robin wrote: The Worthy One Yes, there is someone able to open the scroll! John relates: "But one of the elders says to me: �Stop weeping. Look! The Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.�" (Revelation 5:5) So John, dry those tears! The John class and their loyal companions today have also endured decades of severe trials while waiting patiently for enlightenment. What a comforting reward we now have in understanding the vision, and what a privilege to share in its fulfillment by proclaiming its message to others!

 You have mistaken that Book for the one that mentioned in Rev.5:1 �� A Book written within and on the back side, sealed with seven seals.� That Book is already written and every time a seal open a certain event takes place. Example:

 Rev.6:1-2�when the lamb opened one of the seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth �conquering,� and to �conquer.�

  The advent of Muhammad (pbuh): Habakkuk. 3:16�when he (The Holy one from Mount Paran) cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.

   Rev. 6:7-8  And when he had open the forth seal�a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the west), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 On the other hand the one in Rev.10:2-4, John was about to write and he heard a voice from heaven saying, �Seal up those thing�and write them not.� So when this Book will reveal some one will have to be there to write it down.

  7-But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall �begin to sound:� the �mystery of God should finish� as he declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev.10:7)

  Point 6: In the days when this little book shall reveal �all the mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed).� The book was never written according to John: �seal up those things�and write them not.�

Point 7: And this is what Jesus (pbuh) said: �I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now�he will guide you into all truth... (John.16:12-13) 

  Point 8:  Therefore the Spirit of Truth which is the Comforter would have to bring this little book which contains all the truth. 

  Point 9: And in 10:2-4 it says: �John was about to write�� So when this Book will reveal �some one� will have to be there to �write the message down.�

 10-And I (John) took the little book out of the angel�s hand, and eat it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. (Rev.10:10)

  Point 10: We know that John did not eat the book, he read the book and the truth was sweet but practicing the law was bitter.

 11-And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many people, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (Rev.10:11)

  Point 11: Why prophesy again? Because he had already went, so he has to go back again to inform them about the coming of the universal book that he did not wrote.

 Allah (S) said: �We have not sent thee but as a (universal messenger) to all mankind�but most of mankind knew not.�  (Q.34:28)

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