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Knowledge01
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Posted: 10 February 2008 at 9:28am |
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Anatolian
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So Christians and Jews destroyed Muslim homes, raped and ravaged there
women and burned there towns. My friend how do you believe the Muslims reached Vienna and the south of France? From Medina to Damascus within a few years and practically all of North Africa and Central Asia within a generation? Don't tell me they were invited... This article is enticing hatred among Muslims who have never even met an non Muslim. Thank God many Muslims are wise enough not to follow this type of thinking. It reeks of ignorance. |
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Israfil
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Anatolian thank you I was thinking the same thing....
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minuteman
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If you say that the attitude of the kuffaar is better than the attitude of the Muslims � in absolute terms � then this is haraam, no doubt about it. Again people are issuing fatawas about Haraam and Halaal without any verse of the quran. The verse of the quran should point out to something specific and say that is haraam. What you have to do is only employ good Muslims. If you see Muslims who are not righteous then advise them and guide them. That would be dishonesty. The workers do the work. So did the non Muslim salves. It would be a shame if the non Muslim workers were doing their work better than the Muslims. Yet we have to prefer the bad muslim workers. That is not fair. It is a long post, with mixed matters and opinions of some scholars of Hadith I hope. Nothing of that may be true because it has a vacuum of love and good behaviour. Scholars have been giving their opinions and it is our duty too look into the material. The Muslims have lost the stage of goodness. It is now better to be gentle and calm down. It won't hurt any one. They are now on the receiving end. There is no need to be proud and haughty now. Our ancestors were good and great. But what are we?? Absolutely nothing. If Muslims do not realise their bad state of affairs, they will suffer all the more. The great maulvis were teaching jihaad to the poor muslims for the last 80 years. They did not realise that people needed guidance first more than the sword. But still they were propagating the Jihaad (fight for religion with the sword) in their books. Why?? Some even printed photos on the book title with Quran and sword together. Actually, they misunderstood and very much under estimated the technological advacement of the western countries. The capture of whole India just by a rifle should have been a good lesson for the Muslims. India is not a small country. And England is not very big. Then how come the Muslims were defeated from calcutta to kabul. The reason was that these MUslims were not fit people, i.e. Saaliheen. It is not necessary to just be a believer reciting a Kalimah. There is a serious condition of good deeds (Amal e saaleh). That good deed part was missing from bottom to top. In Short, I feel that we do not need such lecture which smell of some hatred. I feel that some friends do not understand the meaning of the word Kaafir. I asked it here and I feel that no one replied to me. It is necessary to understand things first and then be happy and gentle, very gentle to survive. I hope I have not hurt any one. Pardon me. Edited by minuteman |
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martha
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In Short, I feel that we do not need such lecture which smell of some hatred. I feel that some friends do not understand the meaning of the word Kaafir. I asked it here and I feel that no one replied to me. It is necessary to understand things first and then be happy and gentle, very gentle to survive. I hope I have not hurt any one. Pardon me. minuteman, I dont think it is possilbe for you to hurt anyone. You are very well thought of on this forum, and your comments and advice is much appreciated. Thankyou for your input always. May Allah continue to guide you in the same like manner, for the benefit of all. |
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some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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Truth_light24
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I hope every time we make a fatawa, to say about haram and halal, there should be basis and that basis should be from Quran alone otherwise the fatawa can be categorized as human opinion.
Islam is Love, Peace, Forgiveness and Mercy. As the Prophet said lets not be harsh in our dealings for Islam is an easy religion for all. Ab� Hurayrah relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "This religion is easy. No one becomes harsh and strict in the religion without it overwhelming him. So fulfill your duties as best you can and rejoice. Rely upon the efforts of the morning and the evening and a little at night and you will reach your goal." [Sah�h al-Bukhar�] These words of the Prophet (peace be upon him) defines for us the concept of moderation in its proper Islamic context. When it comes to understanding the principles of Islamic Law, our definitions must be drawn from established sources and not purely from the discretion of the individual. Otherwise, our definition might yield a practical model that justifies nothing but itself. Many of our accepted and established principles have begun to take forms that represent only one narrow vision and that are unable to cope with the many demands of Islamic work and propagation. Edited by Truth_light24 |
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And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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rami
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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem
assalamu alaikum
This is enough to tell anyone this fatwah is garbage, since when do Muslims require a "fatwah" on personnel opinion and preferences. Are we now going to see fatwah on two cockroaches crawling up a wall becouse the need for this fatwah isnt far removed from this. I dont know what is worse the fatwah or the person who thinks he needs a legal reason to think some non muslim are better in chrachter than some muslims. Is it permissible for a Muslim to say that some of the kuffaar have a better attitude than some of the Muslims? Yes, what basis from the Quran or sunnah do you have that states you cant believe non muslims can be righteous, like you need an excuse to see a persons good qualities. This speaks volumes about these peoples mentality and un-Islamic atitude towards people of different religion, i suppose dawa to them entails pretending to be good as apposed to being good because its haram to be good to non muslims right? Its also sad to see that the word fatwah is so wrongly being used, Fatwah is a legal rulling on a matter this is just an opinion piece. Anatolian My friend how do you believe the Muslims reached Vienna and the south of France? From Medina to Damascus within a few years and practically all of North Africa and Central Asia within a generation? Don't tell me they were invited... Even if islam was spread entirely by warfare which is not true the fact that we have the jizyah tax [an option which allowed people to practice there faith freely] in islam does not explain why they chose islam as there religion and yes in some places they where invited England being one of them, its a shame the khalifs at the time rejected the invitation. Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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minuteman
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The subject of good behaviour is important. We have to guard against evil in all forms. But at the same time we are to live in this world and live well, as a very good example of decent well behaved citizens. It is not possible to live aloof like those in the caves. Even a smile is important. The prophet s.a.w.s. called it "Sadaqah". Allah does not forbid us to deal well with those who do not fight against us. There is utmost respect and good behaviour for the neighbor, may he be a Hindu or Budhist or jew. we are told to respect and protect their honor and places of worship. Let me quote verses 60:8-9 below:
Kaafir has to be defined as a person who is highly opposed to Islam and he/she is an enemy of Islam. Those who are not momin (believers) but they are not enemies are not all Kaafirs.
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