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I have read viewpoints from a Lutheran, a Mormon, a Muslim and a Christian on this thread about Christ's death on the cross. It seems the root of the differences lie on the veracity of scriptural text used as reference. Each will obviously quote their respective Holy Book. That all faiths would come to agree on using one definitive version is not likely to happen. Looking at we all have in common: 1) We are all monotheistic, the Holy Trinity notwithstanding i.e. 3 persons in ONE God, hence, monotheistic; 2) We all believe in the afterlife where we are either reunited with our Creator (heaven) or are parted from Him (hell) for all eternity; 3) This will be decided on Judgment Day, Christians believe it is Christ who will sit on the judgment throne and; 4) Our eternal fate will be determined by how we live our lives today. In the New Testament, Christ gives us but 2 commandments, 1) To love God with all our being and 2) To love our neighbor as ourself. Easier said than done you must all agree. Yet try we must, with all our heart. We all have spirits and they were all created by the same God we all worship. We are brothers.
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Poga,
Jesus is coming back to this earth one time.  In the Christian bible in the book of Acts Chapter 1
the disciples saw Jesus ascend in the clouds to heaven.   Two angels appeared and told the disciples that Jesus would return
in the same manner as he left.   In Matthew 24:30-31, Jesus himself said that 
at the end of the great tribulation the world would see him returning to htis earth in clouds of glory.
In Revelation 19, Jesus is pictured returning to this earth 
to defeat the world's armies gathered together to stop him, as well as,
the Antichrist and the false prophet.

Sincerely,

Doug L.




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Originally posted by BMZ BMZ wrote:

[QUOTE=believer]

What was the SIN or WRONG committed by God that God had to make an innocent and good man suffer?

And what was Jesus' sin?



The point is the Jesus volunteered for this.  (From an LDS standpoint)

He volunteered to sacrifice himself for all mankind.  A perfect offering.  The perfect lamb. 

His sacrifice is not a punishment for a sin.  Its an example of absolute love.  There is no greater act of love a person can do than to lay down their life so that another might live.

Jesus died to fulfill more than just "the law", by dying sinless for all mankind and then being resurrected by God, he defeated the mortality brought to mankind by the first sin of mankind. 

We are all flesh and soul, he was the first to die and be reunited with his flesh in the perfected form we will have after the Last Day. 

Sometimes, I think the tendency to think Jesus didn't choose this and it was thrust upon him leads one to think the Crucifixion story to be a cruel act by an unloving God.  But, Jesus was completely aware of his purpose on Earth.  In the Quran, he speaks from the Cradle.  In the Bible, he teaches in the Temple at a very young age.  I think one of the most telling things is that Jesus' own disciples didn't understand his mission.  They believed in the Judaic Messiah who's a great king and general.  Yet, Jesus was neither in his lifetime.  They could not agree on the core of his message.

The act of the sacrifice was not just about sin.  It was about life and one's connection with God.  It was about resurrection and the proof that the grave is not our last stop. 
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

When a wrong is done a payment must be made, that is justice.

Yes. Any person who has done wrong must pay for his sin.

What was the SIN or WRONG committed by God that God had to make an innocent and good man suffer?

And what was Jesus' sin?

Salaams

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Originally posted by poga poga wrote:

Originally posted by poga poga wrote:

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by poga poga wrote:

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Originally posted by poga poga wrote:

but how many Muslim believe Jesus will come to the earth four times

what are you talking about.

No muslim believes Jesus will come to the earth 4 times. Christians believe Jesus will return again, as said second coming. Muslims also believe that he will return, being raised up and then return when the time is right. Neither group believes Jesus will return once more NOT 4 times for muslims. Where do you get this from?

how many time do you believe he will come altogether please give answer with evidence

Poga, you say how many times muslims believe jesus will come back 4 times, I questioned it and asked you where you got 4 times from. You had to get from somewhere to mention it. You asking me about my beliefs is irelevant at this point in time. You need to clarify your side first.

my side is very clear brother i believe JESUS will visit earth five times

and as for evidence SWEETSWORDS based on QURAN and HADIS

it's sister  

So now its five not four times that jesus will return ???

your evidence is your sweetwords ?? that's not enough that is your personal belief. I wanted proper evidence from qu'ran but you seem to be incapable of that.

[quote]angel i think you are alone bring another angel israfil

lets see two angels against one black men

it is i who say Jesus will come five times to this earth

if you do not believe what i say and say no he will come once two time or three then you produce your proof

"it is i who say Jesus will come five times to this earth" YOU got that right!!

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Originally posted by poga poga wrote:

Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

Poga,

What response do you want from muslim. I am muslim, did you not know this?

sorry no sister i thought you are mormon

what i want is just simple i want someone to say no Jesus will not be coming five times because it Say's so here in this Kitab or by this Alim

that's it

 

ASSALAMUALIKUM

as there was no answer

i have taken it upon me replay i hope you will find it factual

 
 
 
 
Yes Jesus will return but do they know how many times he will come
What begun when first time ALLAH Rubbed his divine hand on the back of the earthen ADAM
And out came all his Chromosome
And all his progeny including JESUS fell on the Vally Arafath like the grains of maize
Then he came the second coming in belly of the virgin MARIAM as the INJILIC page
On his fourth return he will kill the DAJJAL and on the fifth at the day of judgment he will save the MUSLIM
As the one of the many viceroys of the Savior of the entire creations MUHAMMAD Sallel La Hu Alahi Wa Sallim
Yes indeed JESUS first said i am the Prophet of ALLAH in the Vally of NAMAAN
Yes indeed JESUS said i am the Prophet of ALLAH and the Qadian Is The Prophet of SHAITAAN
Yes JESUS will return not once or two three four but five time by the command of ALLAH
Including the Jamath of Prophets in the night of MIRAJ at the BAITUL MUQADDAS under IMAM of all Imams MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
 
from SWEETSWORDS 15 [ SURE ]
 
 

 
 
5.It is the day on which Allaah took the covenant from the progeny of Adam.
 
It was reported that Ibn Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Allaah took the covenant from the ...[offspring] of Adam in Na'maan, i.e., Arafaah. He brought forth ... all his offspring and spread them before Him, then He addressed them, and said: 'Am I not your Lord? They said, 'Yes, we testify,' lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: 'Verily, we have been unaware of this.' Or lest you should say: 'It was only our fathers aforetime who took others as partners in worship along with Allaah, and we were (merely their) descendents after them; will You then destroy us because of the deeds of men who practised Al-Baatil (i.e., ploytheism and committing crimes and sins, invoking and worshipping others besides Allaah)?' [al-A'raaf 7:172-173 interpretation of the meaning].' Narrated by Ahmad and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani. And there is no greater day than this and no greater covenant than this.

It was reported that Ibn Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Allaah took the covenant from the ...[offspring] of Adam in Na'maan, i.e., Arafaah. He brought forth ... all his offspring and spread them before Him, then He addressed them, and said: 'Am I not your Lord? They said, 'Yes, we testify,' lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: 'Verily, we have been unaware of this.' Or lest you should say: 'It was only our fathers aforetime who took others as partners in worship along with Allaah, and we were (merely their) descendents after them; will You then destroy us because of the deeds of men who practised Al-Baatil (i.e., ploytheism and committing crimes and sins, invoking and worshipping others besides Allaah)?' [al-A'raaf 7:172-173 interpretation of the meaning].' Narrated by Ahmad and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani. And there is no greater day than this and no greater covenant than this.

 



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