Does God Exist ?

Dr Syed Alwi

In your last response to me you offered your definition on taking religion with a "grain of salt" which, according to you, means that religiuon in its entirety must not be taken seriously. You also mentioned that Muslims must not feel that Islam is the only and truest religion. Perhaps to you this may seem to be a logical step but for those who adhere to the Islamic faith to succeed in being a succesul follower of this practice must be taken serious. However I do agree with you that adherents of Islam must be ever cognizant of other religions and must be tolerant.

But discussing religion and its importance and discussing the question whether God exist are topics that require personal attention so we must shift to a particular focal point. Along with some of the statements you said you mentioned the theoretical that what if the universe contains no Creator no Artisan? There is the possibility yes that a Creator may not exist but there is also the possibility that a Creator may exist. Again as I mentioned because you cannot see God physically or empirically study God doesn't mean he doesn't exist. As I mentioned before to understand the existence of God one must experience God. This as I have said before is an individual journey that we as seekers must make.

You yourself cannot shut God out because science overwhelms your rational mind. If you are a questioner of things perhaps you can entertain the thought that what if God uses science as a cognitive tool for humans to seek and understand their world and from there understand him? What if God  with his magnificant ability creates the world then, by God's will the world creates life within itself using evolution as one of many mechanisms of creation? Dr. Syed you are quick to entertain many possibilities yet from the tone of how you sound here entertain the non-existence of God.

As a philosopher scientist whom I've personally met have said science is no argument for the existence or non-existence of God. Science is merely an objective approach in apprehending the known natural world. Empirical research that thus leads us to conclusive evidence on how the micro/macro levels of our world works.  Dr. Syed I pose no arguments here really because all what you have said are theoreticals without any proof of God's non-existence. If you are so anxious to know God why not seek God in the natural world in which you hold so dear as truth.

I have to say here most Muslims here are not equipped with the ammunition of arguing for the existence of God. We all are in the beginning stages of understanding God. Perhaps Dr. Syed that god is so complex for the human mind that its capacity is overwhelmed leading the human to spiral in religious extremities such as violence, hate as well as all the vices. This are all the components of our struggle to truly understand God. So Dr. Syed I hope you can either sincerely seek God out yourself or make up a better argument.

Dr. A,

Can you prove there is not an unseen?

I can understand taking organized religion with a pinch of salt but I cannot not believe that there is nothing more than this. It does not make sense at all.

Lameese

Dr Syed Alwi wrote: Dear varshaken and Ahmad Joyia, Buddhism for example - is very popular in ASEAN. It takes a rather different view from the Abrahamic faiths. In Islam - faith is of paramount importance. Wa kalu sami'na wa ata'na. We hear and we obey. No questioning. No doubts etc. Your job is to obey God and the Messenger.

My dear Bro Dr. Alwi,

I thought you said you believe in the contextual Quran, so why are you quoting this verse out of its context to mean everything especially when Quran is replete with verses where human mind and logic is implored to pay attention. Science is an integral part of Islam hence is part of our faith through logic and wisdom that Allah has given all humans to understand His creations.

BUT Buddhism is NOT like that. Perhaps Ahmad Joyia - to convince you that another dimension to the issue of religion - not available in Islam - exists - is to get you to stay in ASEAN for several years. Then you will see what multi-religious society entails. There is no need for domination. No Dhimmis. No Islamic State. As for doubts and beliefs and scepticism, I think everyone ought to keep some doubt in his heart so that UNQUESTIONING FAITH is NOT ABUSED to become fanaticism and intolerance. After all - in today's world - Islam faces a major problem with fanaticism and intolerance. Absolute faith is easily manipulated by unscrupulous people into a political tool.

I think, your reply is totally out of the context of this thread. Probably you are obsessed by other questions that you have raised elsewhere more than the current topic. Hence you missed my question. Here it is again to avoid any confusion: ""But my question is have you ever studied other religions to assert about them or its your general feeling through your observation?" Hope to remain focus on the topic under discussion without mingling other thoughts.