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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kim! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2005 at 5:00pm

Sorry - my reply (above) came after a few days away from the computer and while I was still reading through the thread. Hope it doesn't seem too insensitive, placed where it is.

Ummziba - you are obviously very brave and very kind. I believe Allah tells Muslims to spend time with "the poor" - maybe this also includes "the unfortunate" or "the lonely and confused". How else can people be guided except by kindness and friendship?

Keep up the good work - you have lots of friends here.

Kim...

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kim! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2005 at 4:49pm
Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Nobody claims that there is a country, community, a family or even an individual free from some form of evil. However, there is no homosexual representative of the religion of Islam. The moment he becomes homosexual, he ceases to be a Muslim. Period.

I have been told by Muslims with whom I have disucussed the topic of Saddam Hussein that he is still a Muslims, despite the fact that he is a mass murderer. They say he is still a Muslim until he decides to say that he is no longer a Muslim. Assuming this is true, one must also assume that gay Muslims are still Muslims until they say they are not Muslims any more.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lameese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2005 at 11:03am

W's UmmZiba,

I know you did not read what I wrote carefully and I know you are very upset because of your situation. I am happy that you still love your brother. It is a very difficult situation for your whole family I am sure.

My reply was not aimed at you at all.

I agree that they should close this thread. It is causing you a lot of pain and it is not necessary for this topic to be here anyway. Insha Allah they close this.

UmmZiba I think you have a beautiful white heart.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ummziba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2005 at 10:08am

Assalamu alaikum, sister Lameese,

I appologize sincerely for not reading your words more carefully and jumping to conclusions.  I hope you can understand that I was so upset by this thread that I was not being so careful in my reading.

I hope I have not caused you stress or upset by my advice, it was clearly uncalled for.  I will try to be more careful in future.  Again, I am very sorry.

Peace, ummziba.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lameese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2005 at 9:40am

Maybe you should have, once again, read my words more clearly. I siad, "I know gay people" because I work in healthcare. I did not say I have close personal gay friends nor just gay friends.

Please stop your word as my own. And as I said, I do not agree with it at all. But I do feel bad for them.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ummziba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2005 at 6:32am

Assalamu alaikum brother Mockba,

Thank you for your post.  I am glad that Allah has caused my words to make you ponder.  None of us should ever be so set in stone as to not be able to empathize with others.

Most assuredly, the straight path is the hardest, but with the greatest reward.  I have had a good cry over this topic today, may Allah wash away some of my sins with my tears.  I know the life of this world is fleeting and that the Afterlife is the goal - that doesn't make it any easier to endure. 

The life of this world is a hell to the believers.  We all have our secrets, our heartaches, and our miseries to deal with.  Knowing others at least empathize or understand is a great help.

I just want to add that my brother does know how I feel and he does feel great pain and anguish - part of why I do love him so.

May Allah give all the Muslims courage and patience to deal with this life, and Allah knows best.

Peace, ummziba.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MOCKBA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2005 at 5:35am

Bismillah

Wa'alaikumu Salaam dear Sister Ummziba!

What can I possibly comment... I could only take a deep breath and heavily breath it out having read your share of thoughts. Wonder if ever your brother had a chance to read them would he also feel inner pain and ponder.

Having been brought up amongst non-Muslim friends, rejected by a Muslim father and showered with love by a Christian Mother and a step-brother it also took me a long time to arrive at the meaning of the following verse:

O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (5:51)

I cannot but agree that we do not just turn our back on them. We do not approve their wrongdoing either. We remind them and invite them in ways that are best... with wisdom and beautiful preaching, as we are instructed in the Qur'an. Regardless of our love, respect, care and concern it is up to them whether they want to respond to our invitation or ignore us, embrace us or turn our backs on us, cherish our love or distance themselves from us, acknowledge the Supreme Authority or seek temporary amusement of this world.

We have to return to the story of Ibrahim (peace be upon him) and his father, to the story of Noah (peace be upon him) and his son, the story of Lut (peace be upon him) and his wife and a beautiful story of Yusuf (peace be upon him) and his brothers... These were the Prophets (peace be upon them all), who were not without hearts, feelings of love and care towards their loved ones. They were Messengers with a clear Message calling people to Allah, calling people to do right and repel wrong.  Wasn't the Quraish the very family of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), waging the war against their own blood. 

Be patient, dear Sister, you are not alone, insha Allah. Don't you get even more confident that Allah is setting you on the Rigth Path, which may at times be as you said "the hardest one of all" but undoubtedly straightest and most deserving all the hardship, insha Allah. 

Not sure whether I managed to shed any light at all, but must admit that your thoughts will have me thinking for some time...

Wasalaam. 

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Originally posted by ummziba ummziba wrote:

Assalmu alaikum wa rahmatulah wa barakatu, brother Suleyman,

I say this as one who is more than old enough to be your mother - you are a treasure.  Thank you for acknowledging my pain.  Your mother has a good son.

Peace, ummziba.

Aleykum Selam ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh Sister Ummziba,

Sister,i wish you the best in this world and hereafter....i admire your great iman,Maash'Allah pushing us to in Islam more than the books;thank u very much for your smooth heart warming us...

Coming to my mother,i have to confess that She loves me too much that now i can hear the delicious smells coming from the kitchen...what about the by-pass operations waiting me at my future

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