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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2007 at 6:47am
Calls in Sudan for execution of Briton

By MOHAMED OSMAN, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

KHARTOUM, Sudan - Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad."

The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.

They massed in central Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed. They did not try to stop the rally, which lasted about an hour.

"Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted.

They called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."

The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the square.

Several hundred protesters, not openly carrying weapons, marched about a mile away to Unity High School, where Gibbons worked. They chanted slogans outside the school, which is closed and under heavy security, then marched toward the nearby British Embassy. They were stopped by security forces two blocks away from the embassy.

The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group.

Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes � but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday's rally was not organized by the government.

A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.

"Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.

"This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said.

Britain, meanwhile, pursued diplomatic moves to free Gibbons. Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke with a member of her family to convey his regret, his spokeswoman said.

"He set out his concern and the fact that we were doing all we could to secure her release," spokeswoman Emily Hands told reporters.

Most Britons expressed shock at the verdict by a court in Khartoum, alongside hope it would not raise tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain.

"One of the good things is the U.K. Muslims who've condemned the charge as completely out of proportion," said Paul Wishart, 37, a student in London.

"In the past, people have been a bit upset when different atrocities have happened and there hasn't been much voice in the U.K. Islamic population, whereas with this, they've quickly condemned it."

Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, accused the Sudanese authorities of "gross overreaction."

"This case should have required only simple common sense to resolve. It is unfortunate that the Sudanese authorities were found wanting in this most basic of qualities," he said.

The Muslim Public Affairs Committee, a political advocacy group, said the prosecution was "abominable and defies common sense."

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the world's 77 million Anglicans, said Gibbons' prosecution and conviction was "an absurdly disproportionate response to what is at worst a cultural faux pas."

Foreign Secretary David Miliband summoned the Sudanese ambassador late Thursday to express Britain's disappointment with the verdict. The Foreign Office said Britain would continue diplomatic efforts to achieve "a swift resolution" to the crisis.

Gibbons was arrested Sunday after another staff member at the school complained that she had allowed her 7-year-old students to name a teddy bear Muhammad. Giving the name of the Muslim prophet to an animal or a toy could be considered insulting.

The case put Sudan's government in an embarrassing position � facing the anger of Britain on one side and potential trouble from powerful Islamic hard-liners on the other. Many saw the 15-day sentence as an attempt to appease both sides.

In The Times, columnist Bronwen Maddox said the verdict was "something of a fudge ... designed to give a nod to British reproof but also to appease the street."

Britain's response � applying diplomatic pressure while extolling ties with Sudan and affirming respect for Islam � had produced mixed results, British commentators concluded.

In an editorial, The Daily Telegraph said Miliband "has tiptoed around the case, avoiding a threat to cut aid and asserting that respect for Islam runs deep in Britain. Given that much of the government's financial support goes to the wretched refugees in Darfur and neighboring Chad, Mr. Miliband's caution is understandable."

Now, however, the newspaper said, Britain should recall its ambassador in Khartoum and impose sanctions on the Sudanese regime.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2007 at 8:42am

This situation has got completely out of hand.

She did not mean to offend.

She will complete her punishment, then return to the UK

The thousands that are now marching in the streets are not justified, but they are ignorant of the important teachings of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuH).( I expect many in the crowd have done far worse things than she, yet hide behind their sin in this life.)

He would forgive her (pbuH)

As does Allah, if there was any malice in her heart.

She is paying the price. And she will be affected all life by a silly error that got out of hand.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2007 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

This situation has got completely out of hand.

She did not mean to offend.

She will complete her punishment, then return to the UK

The thousands that are now marching in the streets are not justified, but they are ignorant of the important teachings of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuH).( I expect many in the crowd have done far worse things than she, yet hide behind their sin in this life.)

He would forgive her (pbuH)

As does Allah, if there was any malice in her heart.

She is paying the price. And she will be affected all life by a silly error that got out of hand.

It is a shame that we Muslims do not get fired up about the real problems facing the lack of Islamic Civilization. These Muslims are ready to kill and die and show their love for trivial matters that are easy to respond to, but the matters that require self discipline and self reliance and awareness are ignored. This attitude of, "yea...we sure showed them" is something new amongst Muslims. It is reactionary garbage. Useless for social change or even  social justice. "Yea...we sure showed them"..... Yea you sure did, you have shown the world just how ignorant you are. How sad. We Muslims are the closet thing to the Quran most westerners will ever come. And much of their chances of getting closer to the Quran can greatly be influenced by our manners, behavior, and actions. Don't preach Quran, read and live Quran. Thats what the first three generations did, and that is one major reason why so many converted to the faith.

You made nice points Sister.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2007 at 10:39am

Andalus said:

It is a shame that we Muslims do not get fired up about the real problems facing the lack of Islamic Civilization. These Muslims are ready to kill and die and show their love for trivial matters that are easy to respond to, but the matters that require self discipline and self reliance and awareness are ignored. This attitude of, "yea...we sure showed them" is something new amongst Muslims. It is reactionary garbage. Useless for social change or even  social justice. "Yea...we sure showed them"..... Yea you sure did, you have shown the world just how ignorant you are. How sad. We Muslims are the closet thing to the Quran most westerners will ever come. And much of their chances of getting closer to the Quran can greatly be influenced by our manners, behavior, and actions. Don't preach Quran, read and live Quran. Thats what the first three generations did, and that is one major reason why so many converted to the faith.

A very good point here indeed, one I wholeheartedly agree with.

The problem in most Muslim countries (according to my own experiences) is that Islam is mostly cultural and not necessarily religious. Herjihad mentioned a while back in an earlier post about cultural relativity, that is the issue! t is to my understanding that Muslims in these countries know their religion well enough to practice but not to understand. It is not a paradoxical thing here when, one can just mimick their forefathers beliefs and practices without understanding, so, with this in mind whe local religious authoritis exclaim to the masses that Muhammad is the greatest thing in the world and one worth dying for, anything that resembles opposition to that thought incites anger in the public masses. It's sad to say, but quite true that Muslims in third world countries are in fact ignorant.

It is not to belittle them but we must understand that education is not a big factor in third world countries. If critical reasoning is not taught in these countries how can we expect the masses to act "logical?" So when we see gun toting masses call for the execution of a teacher all because she named a bear after a student named Muhammad (not to mention she does not look like the natives of that region which one may hypothesize why they are more inclined to call for her execution) we have to wonder the educational (and religious) background of the masses.

Let me retrack from an earlier comment. It is not just a cultural issue but an educational one at that.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2007 at 11:00am
And how are they supposed to get more educated if they tend to want to execute the teachers for simple mistakes? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2007 at 11:39am

Originally posted by Chelle Chelle wrote:

And how are they supposed to get more educated if they tend to want to execute the teachers for simple mistakes? 

That is exactly the problem.

Little money is spent on education and more on weaponry and other unknown variables. My post was pointing out that education is one of the factors why people react ignorantly, but that is not to say that 'intelligent' individuals act intelligently, it is to show that educated individuals most likely would not react in the manner of these people have acted.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 December 2007 at 8:08am

More breaking news:

Quote Sudan change of mind....
Less than a week after sentencing a British teacher to 15 days imprisonment, the panel of Sudanese clerics who ruled that by allowing her class to name a teddy bear Mohammad, she had insulted religion... have reviewed their original conclusion and now realise that it is they who are the guilty party...

Read the full story here: http://babylon-blog.blogspot.com/

BTW. A big hello to all my Muslim and Non-Muslim friends at Islamicity.
It's good to be back.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 December 2007 at 8:20am
Too bad that's a satirical site.  Loved the George Bush quote though.  LOL.  Thankfully, the woman has been pardoned and sent back home.
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