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Jocko
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Concerning meditating, I am all for it. I am for however, for the excercise of our praying organ. Our spirit is a praying organ. Calling on the name of Jesus - "O Lord Jesus. O Lord Jesus" is an excercise of the spirit to touch the Spirit of Christ. It is effective. It is simple. It is biblical.
I have tried to demonstrate in some of the more simple portions of this discussion, how we can excercise our human spirit to pray. But let it be clearly understood, I am all for musing, meditating, and spending time with God. I have no debate against spending time seeking God in the desert, in the kitchen, in traffic, or wherever. May God richly bless all your times of meditating on His reality.
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JasperStone
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Minuteman, You need to read some of the quotes more carefully.
Because of this therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He
not only broke the Sabbath but also called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. (Matt 5:18)
This verse points out that Jesus called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. The Jews understood very well that He was saying that He was God, and that's why they wanted to kill Him.
But of the Son [God says], �Your throne, O God, is forever and
ever, and the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom. (Heb 1:8) In this verse God is addressing the Son and calling Him God. How much more direct can you get? �Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a son, and
they shall call His name Emmanuel� (which is translated, God with us).
(Matt 1:23) This verse is a quotation of God in Isa 7:14. God gave instructions that the son should be called, "God with us." I decided to point out these things to you, but I by no means accept your arbitrary requirement that I give only direct quotations of Jesus. The entire Bible is God's speaking. All Scripture is God-breathed.... (2 Tim 3:16) For no prophecy was ever borne by the will of man, but men spoke from God while being borne by the Holy Spirit. (2 Peter 1:21) Moreover, the scriptures testify concerning Christ (and these are the direct words of Jesus). You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that testify concerning Me. (John 5:39) Edited by JasperStone |
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For if we, being enemies, were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, we shall be saved in His life, having been reconciled. (Rom 5:10)
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BMZ
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Jocko, the New Testament does contain some statements from Jesus but the bulk is written by authors about what they had heard from others. Not every word in the New testament is from Jesus. The New Testament, naturally speaks about Jesus. Just look at John's personal opening of his gospel. Even Matthew, Mark, Luke, James, Peter and Paul had never heard an iota of that.
No, Jesus never claimed that he was God incarnate. The first term coined was trinity. In order to explain trinity, hypostatic union was coined. In order to explain that God incarnate was coined and the debates and disagreements continued to rage for 300-500 years. Please trust me on this. We are not discussing Muhammad here. BMZ Edited by BMZ |
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Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."
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BMZ
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Well-said, Angel Next time, when I visit Melbourne, we will spend some time together in the desert, meditating. It is a beautiful experience that I have had in the deserts of Saudi Arabia and the UAE. BMZ |
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Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."
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Angel
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Jocko, I can go out into nature and sit on the earth being emersed in the life all around me, stay there long enough I can experience God and the oneness of all things. many people go out to mediate for days and be in silence and have experienced what they call experience of God. Moses spent time in the desert alone, Muhammad spent time along and so did jesus, in fact all the great spiritual leaders spend time mediating/praying and be in slience that is the one common thing amongst all of them and each tell the story of experiencing God, being close to and being in oneness. It is also said that to be in silence, to be still then that is when things come to you, ideas, knowledge and wisdom, answers come through. You saying that you need this and this in order to experience Christ or God, lets face it in the end it is God to be experience, but your view is too far away and complicated, I like to have simplicity and to be honest spending time alone, in silence and be still as that which nearly all spiritual teachers teach seems to be the go. So lets all go and mediate Edited by Angel |
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Israfil
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You Moslems only care about a God far away in an objective way |
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Jocko
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Here again we have the same reoccuring problem with the Islamic misunderstanding of the New Testament. Jesus Christ is God/Man. He is God and man mingled together in one Person. A verse like John 17:3 about the only true God and Jesus Christ Whom He has sent only shows that Jesus Christ is the link in the process of God dispensing Himself into man to be eternal life. God's dispensing is as great as God Himself. He is Father, Son, Holy Spirit for the tranmission of God into man. You Moslems only care about a God far away in an objective way. But John the apostle said "This is the true God and eternal life" He did not say "That is the true God". It was in the subjective receiving of Christ being dispensed into his being that he could say "THIS ... is the true God and eternal life." You continually demand, show us that Jesus is THAT objective God. But we showed you. But you cannot experience eternal life unless you receive Him into you. Then you will say, "Now I know that THIS ... is the true God and eternal life."
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Jocko
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Sorry, Jasper (and Jocko). Jasper has not answered properly to the question of BMZ. The question was "Where did Jesus say that he was the Almighty God?" ==============================
You do not need to apologize. All you need to do is confess that you do not believe that the New Testament is the speaking of Jesus Christ. So I still stand beside every example JasperStone presented. I already wrote on this discussion or another one that Christ prayed for all those who believed in Him through the word of the apostles. He intrusted to them His word and He prayed that we would believe through their word. I think that I also wrote in a discussion many examples (if not an arbitrary ten) of Christ claiming that He was God incarnate. I mean the "direct quotes" which you seem to favor. We are going around in circles. I don't wish to perpetually go around in circles with the same unbelievers. I stand by the examples that JasperStone submitted and advize you to read back through my posts and find the other examples where Jesus identified Himself as the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, etc (as only God Almighty can do and did). On the other hand you cannot find even one verse in the whole Bible telling us anything about the coming of a "prophet" Mohammed. Someone's attempt to make the "Another Comforter" into Mohammed have been thoroughly falsified - completely refutted. How? Simply by a closer and more honest examination of the passages in the New Testament which some of you attempted to twist.
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