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Friendship
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Assalamu alaikum.
My problem is that I do not want to invent anything, or understand Islam outside its base. I do not know how to express myself. You seemed earlier to understood that there is a difference between Hadith and Sunna. This was also the understanding of Hadith scholars beginning from an Indian scholar Imam Naisaburi (d. 405 AH). I gave you the references, but now you are turning as if there is no difference between hadith and Sunna. Why not you read and get convinced. I am not denying the hadith but I want know the action! Did the holy Prophet actually perform it and when? A hadith is denied if it contradicts the Sunna. Professor Azami is an Indian. Don't you have his books in India? How many books have you read on Hadith literature and methodology?. Agree with me not to invent anything and understand Islam according what was understood by the Sahabas. Secondly the verse you quoted in chapter 3:159 was translated and explained not in the manner you understood. Jama'at khayr are the Ahl hal wal aqad and are not soothsayers or fortune tellers. Do you now about Munaajat? We are in constant Munaajat with our Lord through Zikr and Tadabbur. Please do not introduce philosophy into the Sunna! Friendship.
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Shasta'sAunt
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Friendship,
How do you know the sunna of The Prophet?
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seekshidayath
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Well , friendship, i did not read even a single book of the author {Azam} you mentioned. Neither do i know Naisaburi.
For me its important that i follow both the actions and sayings of the prophet. If a hadith explains me only actions, i shall follow it, and if it has "sayings" only, even then i shall be accepting, since Allah swt says in the Qur'an, obey Allah and Obey Messenger {Wa'athiul laha wa athiur rasool}
Now speaking from your pont of view :
You did not answer my earlier question, show me atleast one incident, wherein we stopped from isteqarah.
By the way you said, - " A hadith is denied if it contradicts the Sunnah". Is it ? If i accept this sentence of yours, how is it that the hadith of isteqarah, contradicting sunnah. None of the sunnahs, depict us that isteqarah was denied by them and thus contradicts.
By the way, i wish you to answer, sis Shasta aunt's question. I would like to also know, how you differentiate hadith and sunnah.
You must have heard this hadith many a times that, "The best people are my generation, then the next generation, then the next generation...." Here, is the proof you asked. He would not write down any hadith in his Saheeh until he had done ghusl, then prayed two rak�ahs and prayed istikhaarah, asking Allah to guide him with regard to writing down this hadith; then he would write it down. It took him sixteen years to write this book, which the ummah accepted and unanimously agreed that what is narrated in it is saheeh; and Allah has protected this ummah from agreeing upon misguidance. What do you say now ?
Imaam al-Bukhari narrates in his Saheeh that Mutraf bin Abdullah Aboo narrated to us that Abdur-Rahmaan ibn Abee al-Mawaal narrated to us from Muhammad ibn al-Munkadir from Jaabir (radhi allahu anhu)�the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) used to teach us al-Istikharah (seeking of guidance) in all of our affairs, like he would teach us a Soorah of the Qur�an saying: { Note the words, used to teach us}
If any of you is concerned about an affair, then let him pray two rakahs other then the obligatory prayers after which he should supplicate: O Allah, I seek Your counsel by Your knowledge and I seek Your assistance by Your Power and I ask You from Your immense favor, for verily you are able while I am not, and verily You know and I do not, and You are the knower of the unseen. O Allah if You know this affair is to be good for me in relation to my religion, my life and end (or he said my present and my future), then decree and facilitate it for me and bless me with it. And if You know this affair to be detrimental (harmful) for me concerning my religion, my life and end (or he said my present and my future), then remove it from me and remove me from it and decree for me what is good wherever it be and make me satisfied with it.And he mentions his need
al-Bukharee (eng. trans. Vol.2, no.263)
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Friendship
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Assalamu alaikum.
Please understand me and read! The Sunna of the holy Prophet is that action reported by a Sahaba (irrespective of classification and categorising) juxtaposed with a Revelation (Command) describing an Ibadat. In other words the Sunna is that practical demonstration of the teaching of a hadith by the holy Prophet. There is no hadith from the Prophet in Ibadat especially the prayer without its practical demonstration. The precise timing of that Ibadat is also known. For example we knew that only 3 daily prayers consisting of 2 raka'at were performed in Makka and no Sahaba had ever reportd the suras recited. They reported that his legs used to swell because of the length of the Suras. They described his Ruku' and Sujada sometimes thinking that he has forgotten to raise his head. Therefore the Sunna is what the Sahabsa described to us and hardly described by him.That is why Allah described them as witnesses to the truth and that we should respect them and say nothing bad about them. The one who talks bad about them talks bad about the holy Prophet. Friendship. |
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Shasta'sAunt
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I am baffled by your responses Friendship. You have gone from denying that The Prophet prayed Istikhara to stating that anyone who prays to Allah for any reason is commiting shirk to stating that you follow the sunnah without the hadith without stating how you know what the sunnah is without the hadith. Yes, the sunna of The prophet can be found in The Quran, but it is also found in the hadith. Without the hadith we would know only a part of the actions and manners of The Prophet. Without the textual sources of the hadith how could anyone determine what the sunnah is? Edited by Shasta'sAunt - 17 November 2008 at 6:43pm |
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Edited by abosait - 18 November 2008 at 7:12am |
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abosait
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Wa alaikum assalam wa Rahmatullah.
Who are these WE?
Please dont include me in uttering such statements because all I know from reliable Islamic sources is that we have been given 5 daily prayers. Even today the fardh salat is prayed 5 times a day in all the mosques of Makkah.
The rka'ah are:
fajr=2
duhr=4
asr=4
magrib=3 and
ishaa'=4 with and additional 3 rak'a of witr.
When on a journey the Rule of 'qasr' is applied whereby all the three four rak'ah prayers are cut short to two raka'ah each and the witr to one raka'ah Edited by abosait - 18 November 2008 at 7:31am |
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