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 TG12345 wrote:

It would be an abomination to God if we did not worship Him. God reveals Himself to humanity as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus was worshiped while He was on earth, and He never told people who did so to not worship Him. He also said things about Himself that no one would ever say, unless they were claiming to be God.

 Abu Loren wrote:

It's more of an abomination HOW you worship him. He has told us how to worship him through the Prophets and Messengers that He sent. Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) never ever said he was God and to worship him. get real.

Jesus said that those who have seen Him have seen the Father. He said that He and the Father are one. He said He shared glory with the Father before the creation of the world. He also said that He will judge the nations on the Day of Judgement and decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell.

Did Muhammad say that those who have seen him have seen Allah? That he and Allah are one? That he shared glory with Allah before the world was created? Do you believe Muhammad with either allow you into heaven or condemn you to hell?

 TG12345 wrote:

Also, please don't call Paul a charlatan. If you disagree with what he taught, say so. I don't call Muhammad bad names.

 Abu Loren wrote:

The difference is that one was really a charlatan who led billions of people into hell whilst the other is a true Prophet and Messenger of God. I'd let you figure out who is who.

Paul was indeed a messenger of God, though he was not a prophet. I believe that Muhammad's message probably has led many people to hell but we will never know how many, and personally I think calling him a charlatan is quite harsh, and not necessarily very accurate. He meant well.

 TG12345 wrote:

Let me respond to you in equally plain English. I know. Christians believe only God can be worshiped.We see Him differently than Muslims do. You may say that we see God in the wrong way, according to your beliefs- but don't call us polytheists. We only believe in one God.

 Abu Loren wrote:

This is what I'm talking about. In fact you are worshipping somebody other than God and that is not right.

Nope. Jesus is God. God reveals Himself as Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit.

 TG12345 wrote:

Jews are not Muslims. So are they monotheistic or not? Do they or do they not worship God, according to what Islam teaches?

 Abu Loren wrote:

OK I concede that the Jews are monotheistic and yes they worship One God however, they like the Christians are in error. What I meant was the Islam is the correct religion as it is the final revelation without any errors, additions or deletions by human hands.

If Jews worship one God, how would you explain the following teaching of Muhammad below?

http://searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=60&translator=1&start=0&number=105#105

http://searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=93&translator=1&start=0&number=532s#532s

http://searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=001&translator=2&start=0&number=0352#0352

According to Muhammad's teaching on the Day of Resurrection, every nation and people will be told to follow what they used to worship. 

Those who worshiped idols, stones, false gods, crosses will follow them, and fall into hellfire. The only ones left will be Muslims and some of the People of the Book. Then the Jews will be asked what they worshiped. They will say they worshiped Ezra, the son of God. They will fall into the hellfire. Christians will be asked what they worshiped. They will say Jesus, the Son of God. They will fall into the hellfire. Muslims will be left. Some will be in hell for a while and be admitted to paradise after a while, others will enter paradise right away.

The question here is obvious- what will happen to the millions of monotheistic religious Jews who worshiped God? They did not and do not worship idols, stones, false deities, crosses. They also do not and did not worship Ezra or Jesus. They were not Muslims either.

Yet Muhammad's teaching on the Day of Resurrection- in which the fate of
 every nation and every people is described- divides the world into 
categories that completely leave them out. It also leaves out Jehovah's 
Witnesses and other monotheists who are not Muslims.

The only Jews mentioned in this teaching are a small sect which allegedly existed in 7th century Arabia that allegedly worshiped Ezra... and completely are ignored the 99% of religious Jews who never did such a thing.

It would be like me making the claim that on the Day of Resurrection, humanity will be divided into three categories- those who believe we were not created by anyone, those who believe God created black people but an evil scientist called Yakub created white people (this group is referred to as "the Muslims"), and Christians, who believe God created all of us.

It would be wrong for two reasons

A) "the Muslims" do not believe white people were created by Yakub, Nation of Islam does. 
B) Muslims and millions of other monotheists are neither atheist evolutionists, Nation of Islam, or Christians.

Edited by TG12345 - 14 February 2014 at 9:22pm