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Alwardah
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As Salamu Alaikum
Yes you and Kim are absolutely correct, I am wasting your time and mine actually everyone's time, because I have no proof except what I read in the Glorious Qur'an and believe without a shadow of doubt that the universe was created by a Supreme Creator Allah.
"And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment. " Surah Al-Imran 3: 105
What "clear proof" you may ask: The Glorious Qur'an and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam).
I don't have anything further to add.
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deist
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Greetings and Peace,
I dont believe people can "waste" time. And i didnt say that you wasted mine or yours either. I only stated that you didnt present a proof but only claims and your belief. If we agree on that then we already archieved something dont you think ? Again i say that i have no problem if someone believes in something.
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Alwardah
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Hi Deist
I know that neither you nor Kim said or implied that I am wasting time but that is how I feel.
Basically you, more than anyone else knows that I cannot prove my claim, because it is part of the Unseen.
What I would be interested in getting proof regarding the soul, life and death from your evolution prospective. The Soul is something intangible part of the Unseen but I believe I have a soul, because if I had no soul I will not be typing this response.
Remember your argument is that we evolved, and were not created, so there is no Creator, thus no soul. What is the soul, where can I find it or see it? So how do u prove
I would be interested to hear your comments.
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deist
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Again
here you make a mistake for there is no reason why a soul is needed to
write a response. Since you cant even explain what a soul exactly is
how then can you conclude that it hast to be existent to write
something ? See my point ?
I dont see why evolution per se would rule out a God. I dont see why evolution would rule out a "soul".
You
already again assume that a soul has to exist. Yet you cant explain
what it is yourself. Obviously you seem to think you "need" one but why
you need it you cant explain.
And the fact that you are alive is not proof that you exist ? Cognito ergo sum. I think therefore i am. What other proof do you want. Its absolutely conclusive.
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Alwardah
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Thanks Deist for your comments. The fact that I am alive is no proof that I exist. Intriguing concept. I have no more comment on this subject. Very educational I must add. Thanks once again. |
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kim!
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I don't see that evolution denies creation, or that science denies God. When you create a meal then forget to put the leftovers in the fridge, does other life not evolve on the plate? (ie: bacteria and general blue-green fuzzy stuff) Kim...
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Angel
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Nadir, if your post were directed at other people, then direct it at them and not at me personally, "everything" in your post was directed at me, you addressed it to me with my name!, so it was at me. How was I suppose to take it any other way ?? And that you made a complaint to the CEO of islamicity about me! And that you were going to the embassies about me! I was confused as I didn't think I did anything wrong, nor denied you anything, nothing like this has happened to me before here. If it wasn't directed at me, then it was so unfair of you to do so , perhaps it was you that disrespected. Do you have any idea how I felt? I'm not even a scientists but I do have some knowledge. I think in future you should distiguish between the people you speak here at the boards and those outside of it. And relax. Edited by Angel |
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Angel
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I think you misunderstood Deist's question.
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