America, the Disliked, but why so much?

Patty wasn't attacking you personally.  I went back and read the posts.  She was responding to your statements.  She didn't twist your words.  I read your posts and her responses.  She was responding directly to your accusations. 

Good Grief....

Herjihad wrote: Secondly, you are not correct.  No one in Africa sold their own people.  (If they did, I have never read about it!  Do you have a reference?) Warring tribes, as with warring Indian tribes in America, used to keep their captives as slaves.  That they sold their own slaves was not selling their own people.

You asked for a reference, she gave you one.  Own people was referring to race, not tribe.

Herjihad wrote: Do you purposely twist things people say?  I said the $1 dollar bill -- Washington the slave owner.

I don't think she twisted, perhaps misunderstood.  I would still disagree with you.  Washington's purpose was to sever the colonies from England.  His place on our $ is for a completely different purpose.  However, I think Tubman, Douglas or Booker T Washington would be better on the $20 or $50 than the two Presidents on them.  Jackson was one of the worst presidents ever. 

Herjihad wrote: America encourages slavery all over the world.  And I personally helped free a slave, so I know that it exists.

Please justify this statement with an example.  I know there have been many calls over the years by Administrations to work against the human trade.  So, please, provide your source.

Patty & Herjihad wrote: Yes, there are many poor blacks living in ghettos, I've been there and worked with them.  I was also raised in poverty in Appalachia....white children know poverty too, herjihad, it's just not as publicized as it is for black people.  So you wear your previous poverty as a badge of honor?  What should I do with mine and my children's?  Deny it?

You described the "N" word as proof positive of the evils still lingering in the US.  Poverty leads to a lack of education, but not an excuse.  There is a huge divide in this country and its not just along racial borders.  Poor are poor and rich are rich.  Patty has lived long enough to work herself out of it.  That doesn't mean she can not remember what its like.  Badge of honor might be pushing it, but if she is proud of her humble beginnings, that's her right.  Don't deny the situation your in, identify the reasons your in that situation and make the necessary changes.  Why do you think I'm going back to school? 

I've been homeless (living on the charity of family and friends) with an injured husband.  I know poverty.  I may not live on Ramen and Hotdogs anymore, but I sure remember going to bed hungry.  So am I not allowed to say I sympathize too????

You attacked first.  Patty responsed to your challenges and you called her aggressive.  Honey, my family has been here since 1662, I might hate the administration and its policies, but I love this country.  I love what she was founded on and I love her trials and evolutions. 

No country is perfect.  I challenge you to find a place where your family would be safer.  If you can find one, then so be it...

But, I'd rather work on the flaws and enjoy the things this country got right.  At least I'm not one of those poor oppressed tribal women that MOCKBA doesn't think deserves help.

 

 

 

I can seriously say I hate the fact that it has turned into a discussion in part, about slavery and its history along with other things that doesn't address the question. Although some of what was said, does tie into the question I don't want bickering on such an important issue, but, its understanable that emotions on this discussion can create that. First off, let me address something here. As someone who has studied Black History I would hope some of the "non-whites" in here presume to be a scholar at Black History just because he/she can google search Black History off websites. I'm not accusing anyone of doing that, but I'm saying that its easy to get such information off other websites.

As an African-American and learning from what my grandfathers father had did to survive I can honestly say that the decisions made has definitely sowed the future of some. Racism in the 1400's which lead to the enslavement of Africans in fact still has effects today. It's not justifying ignorance, nor laziness nor the lack of wanting to work but it still does have its effect today much like the effects of the cosmic "Big Bang" has on the cooled universe. My earlier point in interconnecting this with those who have hatred for America was to relate that even though this is evident in our history this does not create a desire of hatred of all whites nor does this make me want to strap a bomb to myself to kill a group of whites for what has happened to my ancestors in the past. Some of you may think this is not comparable to a modern problem. I say it is.

We are all discussing the effects of a past event. The land that was taken from the Palestinians by the people now called Israelis didn't happen recently but approximately 5 decades ago. Also, let me address something Angela said which struck a nerve. She states that everyone is to blame in slavery. Sorry to say, for one who is not African-American you cannot conceiv what my mother and her parents had to go through. We as African Americans were already poor in coming this country then, suffered in slavery. Even when the so-called abolitionist "freed" us we still suffered social injustice. Just because some of you say blacks were freed doesn't mean we had automatic social equality. So before you go into your speech of "we freed the slaves" remember lenching still went on LOL.

Also! Although everyone hands were in the cookie jar of slavery, some whites still propagate what is now considered institutionalized racism. here are still injustices in our American system. If I can say something I truly loathe about America that is truly it. In my personal opinion suffering is suffering and  like I said before we go into the poor Palestinians and Poor Lebanese let's look at the Sudanese African whose husband (BTW was Muslim) was shoot in the head while praying fajr. Or the woman who was gang raped by Arab militia. Or the child in the streets of Los Angeles who was shot in the sternum just playing in the front yard. Suffering happens on every face of the planet and although Angela states imperfectly that the United States was created on "ideals" it still suffered incredibly for its arrogance in that I side the worlds wrath upon the US on.

We as a nation historically was arrogant. We were arrogant towards the native people to the Africans who built this country. Yes we Africans built this country along with others who have suffered along with us. I think more often than noit people hate this country for its past and where it is going!

herjihad wrote: Bismillah, Patty, I should have known that you would just twist my words.  You insulted the people of this site by saying that it "bothered you".

Herjihad, Honestly it seems you have taken this out of proportion and in your temper are twisting words of hers around. The "bothered you" you have completely missed patty' point.

This is the sentence of what was said:  There are MANY Muslims near where I live....we all live together peacefully.  We have no problems...that's one reason this site bothers me. 

In other words, The muslims she interacts at home with are different here on this site and are peaceful and tolerant whereas for this site patty experiences something else - the opposite and that bothered her for which she cannot figure out why the extreme differences.

You think Patty has been insulting perhaps you can check your words again.

If I were a moderator, I would have banned you long ago for the way you insult the Muslims and friends of Muslims here.  What?  Muslims wanting a corner of the internet where they are not ridiculed for their faith and desire to live peacefully and garner support for issues we care about seems like to much for you?

with that attitude, you shouldn't be moderator.