"You guys" ?? Now, now Chrys. Not you too. Have to get beyond that 'us and them' mentality. It's most unattractive, and not at all becoming of a woman one day wishing to enter an arranged marriage ;-)

Things are not always what we 'perceive' them to be, certainly at first....   judging everything and everyone through our own myopic lenses, by our own standards and conceptions/mis conceptions.   Creating so much  unnecessary suffering for others in the process.


People are so full of ignorance and prejudice. Or as we say over 'ere - BS ;-)

We're all guilty of that to one degree or another.

Someone once said, "Youth is wasted on the young."

But it is very difficult to 'teach' younger people what it seems the years, life itself alone can 'teach'.  Though many older people never learn those lessons either. I'm 22 and still can't tie my shoelaces.

If two people who can love each other are brought together, however they are brought together, and can commit, marry and raise children if they wish to, then that is a good thing certainly. No arguments from me - Cupid that I am ;-)  I arrange marriages all the time. lol

Far too much confusion over sex and love. Well over here anyway ;-) And being 'in love' - that chemical surge, like a drug hit.

Does take time to realise we choose to love and have to work at it throughout life.

Anyway - I gotta get back out there and do some real 'love' ing in this lil ol' world.

God bless

Hyposonic said:

[0]Saladin said:

......Britney.....

......idiotic reasoning......

......[See britney Spears].


Is it that you saw the name 'Britney' pop up and you're gettin jiggy with it?

Anyway I appreciate your politeness but you didnt have to go thru that pain if you (as you claim) an Oxford Grad had realised that "unarranged marriage" is an oxymoronic term.

You know that marriage is serious affair and wherever you're from such a serious issue has to be done after much considerations and arrangements. Its just that different people arrange their marriage in different ways. Got it? Now read my previous post.

"With all due respect . . . the comparision doesnt apply much here. The average muslim is not a gun-toting militant."

 

With all due respect, I never said Muslims were. I was merely stating that if remarks here are going to relate to celebrities or what they see on television then, it would not only leave an opening for an inaccurate comparison but an unfair one. I then stated in addition to, that, if people operated like that then what stops someone from making the comparison to all Muslims from what they see on television?

 

"but the average american/british teenager is in a mess."

 

What about the average Scot? or Italian? or Spanish? To what evidence do you base this on?

 

 

 "I hear that from Americans/British themselves."

 

So you heard this from the 350+ million American/Brits? I'm sorry to repeat this number but I'm making a point I'm sure you know. I assume [and I bet my entire house on this] that every songle American or British person told you that. In fact the opinions you heard is less than a fraction of the total population. We all have opinions of our country and base them on our respective experiences. It's a natural human phenomena, and we think the whole world is like those we experience daily. It is not, and no offense Chrysalis when discussing with someone you ought to be self-aware of that.

 

"And note that I said America and Britian . . . because I am sure thier stats do not represent Scotland or Ireland or Genovia."

 

But in previous post you interchangably use the words "western" and so I assumed that by using western, you have lumped my country along with America and Britain together. I'm not from America nor have I been there for quite some time but even I do not believe that it is as bad as you say [referring to teen births etc]. You all don't know the social circumstances as to why teen births are rampant. There are many factors such as socio-economic status, ethnic culture, and so forth.

 

Just because teen births happen doesn't mean its because of promiscuity or because its American/British tradition. You need to weigh in all the factors. Chrysalis I'm surprised at you for a person who is intelligent and kind, you would not weigh in those factors. But alas, you said something profound: "I as an Asian/Pakistani am biased"

 

 

"Taking a significant majority, and using it to make an inference is understandable/justifiable (collective highschools). . .

 

Chrysalis, if you couldn't tell I do research and taking a collective sample such as "high schoolers" and making inferences to adult behavior IS NOT a valid inference nor the behavior of the entire people. You can only making those inferences to those who compare with that sample.

 

 

but taking a minority (al qaeda) and using it to label a community is not really justifiable or fair."

 

This is a profound psychological phenomena here. I never said Al-Qaeda, nor did I mention  terrorist, I mentioned "then why complain about others who compare Muslims to other Muslims on television?"

 

This could be anything. Someone could have just watched the discover channel and had seen an Iranian wearing traditional garb and assumed it was associated with Muslim culture. This is what I meant. I try to refrain from using stereotypical example because I know they are inaccurate and wrong.

 

I think for the future of this discussion if you were to make research type statements you ought to at least point to some references so I can read them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hyposonic wrote: "With all due respect . . . the comparision doesnt apply much here. The average muslim is not a gun-toting militant."   With all due respect, I never said Muslims were. I was merely stating that if remarks here are going to relate to celebrities or what they see on television then, it would not only leave an opening for an inaccurate comparison but an unfair one. I then stated in addition to, that, if people operated like that then what stops someone from making the comparison to all Muslims from what they see on television?