Concept of Creation VS Chance

nadir wrote:     A Muslim believes in the Unseen, hence needs not be perplexed like the scientists, who crave this knowledge for fame, & more importantly - �absolute power�.

Absolute power to do what? Cure diseases? Gee - what an evil bunch of people scientists are.

And as for "all scientists are only after the money", well that's a load of tripe to start with. Sure-  if you made such a statement about _companies_ like Pfizer or MonSanto, then sure, you and I are in total agreement. SOme companies are Evil.

But if you look at the years and years it take to get qualified in any sort of scientific field, the years of work and sweat and lost sleep and sacrifice it takes to earn qualifications and get the sort of job you want, then you will realised that the vast majority of people in science are only working for the good of others and in order to use their own talents the best way possible. Ask Nausheen, for example!

I have many friends who are in various fields of science who are studying for the Masters degree, or their PhDs or who already have their PhDs. They are, or are going to be, great people in their communities and I very much admire tham, but sure as hell I am not going to do the same - they work too hard and sacrifice so much (and besides, they are waaaay cleverer than I ;)

I find your assertions that most scientists are godless, evil, scary people quite bizarre. I have a friend who is a lecturer in aeronautical engineering, she also has a PhD in metalurgy (I think it's metalurgy). She goes to church every week, is on her church committee, she takes Sunday school classes and is a Big Fan of God. However, she thinks creationism is a load of twaddle and is, therefore, also a Big Fan of the Theory of Evolution.

I think it's quite understandable that the further some scientists get into their field, the closer they might feel to God. Why? the more they discover, the more they realise that the universe is a wonderous and amazing place, full of wonderous and amazing creatures and events.

There is NO reason why God and Science cannot co-exist and why they cannot complement each other.

Kim...   

Anyway, I have no problem with the concept that science is just another way of revealing the existence of God. Science and what it reveals is so amazing, I can hardly see how anyone could think otherwise.

Sure - science has lead to bad things (atom bomb), but then so has religion (crusades). It's human nature - we always get stuff wrong and are blatantly stupid. Doesn't mean that science is wrong and God is dead. It just means people are idiots.

I believe that evolution is the best theory we have so far to explain why the earth is like it is and I believe that if there is a God, God has given us the ability to make our own choices. God can see where all our choices will lead us, but not much stuff (if any) is pre-destined. That would not be fair - how could God punish us for any of our choices if EVERYTHING was pre-destined? What would be the purpose of our existence if everything was predestined?

Kim...

Alwardah wrote: deist wrote: What  i often have a problem is that often enough people want to "proove" their belief by making the very statements that show that their belief is not based on facts but on wishes and "intuition".   Alhamdulillah (All Praises are to Allah) You have a problem with that, I don't.

So you believe a buddist when he "prooves" his religion by making statements that are not based on facts but rather on intuition ?

Al-Qur'an - Surah Adh-Dhariyat 51: 56   "I have created Jinn and men, that they may worship Me Only."   I don't need any more proof than that