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Daniel Dworsky
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NO. It was a dumb thing to to.
We in israel have had several opportunities to return the Golan heights to Syria. We have passed on these windows of chance for reasons of strategy and the fact that these lands were seized during a defensive war against Egypt Jordan and Syria in which Egypt was able to negotiate her land back in exchange for a peace treaty. Jordan we just kissed and made up and we inherited more problems which we immediately set about the business of making worse. Jobs for all... Syria would have nothing to do with any agreement much to the relief of many of us including any one who has ever had to suffer Israeli wines before 1967... Sorry. wrong format trust me my dear cousins you've missed nothing. Syria basically wants us all treading water off shore and the conflict with Israel has served Syria well as a unifying factor in the country and has earned her the respect of powerful allies starting with the Soviet Union and now Iran. Assad is "Da Man" while the Iranian President is "Da Lunatic" in charge. The Iranian President I keep calling him that because I can't find his name on my spellcheck is not because he pressed my holocaust button. Most jewish people have one it always works. We are sort of funny that way. I suspect that if we had pursued peace more aggressively after 1967 and returned the Golan heights to Syria. one of two things would be true now. We would all have peace or we would all be dead. It's never clear what's going to happen when you are dealing with a country like Syria who has a back comprised of peoples or nations with an agenda clearly other than peace. Wether we in Israelhave a right to be here or not the fact is that we are here. How much blood are we willing to spill is also not an issue. We've made it clear that we'll spill it all ours included. We've been to this movie. If we go out now it won't be like sheep to the slaughter. It will hurt everyone involved exponentially more than the toleration of our existence. That is an unfortunate but true fact that no one likes to talk about. Enter rather present, into this street fight the people who lived here in the first place - The Palestinians. They are the least considered by all involved and with terrorism aside the most righteous of the two righteous victims. The terror angle couldn't have worked better for Israel had we not preceded it's use ourselves on the British. Two of our P.M.s were terrorists. I was once a polite guest of the late President Arafat in Ramalah. My presence there with Uri Avnery and 49 members of his Gush Shalom organization some two months before Yasser became "ill" was to interfere with the mans murder. I feel the same way about my presence there as I do accepting a gig playing piano for Simon Weizanthal where Shamir was present. Shamir was our Israeli Prime minister at the time. He was known to have strangled a man with his bare hands. He likes Duke Ellington tunes enjoys long romantic walks... Shamir and Arafat Same guys. Real charmers. You'd think you were in the room with someone's kindly old grandfather. Every one is in the right place right now to make nice. Israel is strong. Syria doesn't really want a war. The Palestinians, Hamas or not, deserve better than this and for sure their children do. The Settlers in Hebron need to be relocated I suggest Poland or Germany These Jews have redefined my religion so much in two generations that these countries may have finally come deserve their Jews. Edited by Daniel Dworsky |
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ejdavid
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Daniel,
Was it an over reaction? The Hezzi leader [from a bunker in an unknown location] answers himself. He now tells everyone (the Lebanese) he would not do it over again. Perhaps that means he won't do it again either in the future. About damned time. Aparently the Lebanese, after a big round of applause for Hezzi during the war, now look around at the death and destruction and have second thoughts. That puts Hezzi in an ackward position. Apparently the war reduced his forces about 50%.In addition, his Fortress Southern Lebanon will be unavailable for some time to come. Perhaps a bit of humility has come his way. Next Over Reaction: Iran? |
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Whisper
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Next Over Reaction: Iran? Yeah, your bet! Won't it be better for Israel to learn to live in peace with her neighbours than relying on some fading power? Let's see how long the gutless half wit blue eyed Eastern European blonds - with no ties at all with Mid East - will fight when it comes to anyone other than the poor impoverished and occupied Palestinians. Some dellusions of grandure are needed for filling in the greater Israel chart. You must have thought, like your other racist colleagues, that Iraq was just a piece of cake and Afghanistan won't as much as tinkle. Brave thugs, the world doesn't hate you, you are bent upon making it detest you with your idiocity. |
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Daniel Dworsky
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We lost an additional 106 innocent people 20 tank crews and the lebanese lost close to 1000 souls. Why? Four kidnapped soldiers whom we could have negotiated back to their families unloading a couple busloads of political prisoners. We had the entire democratically elected Palestinian Cabinet in jail almost the next day and then we trashed southern Lebenon. It wasn't so much and over reaction as a mindless heartless and wasteful reaction. It's not like we haven't traded prisoners for rich gangsters and Mossad agents. It's all Bulls--t Edited by Daniel Dworsky |
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ejdavid
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Whisper - You wrote: "Won't it be better for Israel to learn to live in peace with her neighbours than relying on some fading power?" ANSWER: I live in the US. I am sick of endless support for Isreal. HOWEVER, until maniacs like your Hezzis stop attacking the bastards, I would just as well give them neutron bombs to settle the matter. Savvy?
You also wrote: "...that Iraq was just a piece of cake and Afghanistan won't as much as tinkle..." ANSWER: Laden said "Kill all Americans wherever and whenever you find them." Laden no longer run Afghanistan." Saydamn says "9/11 good thing..." Saydamn no longer run Iraq. You also wrote: "... world doesn't hate you, you are bent upon making it detest you with your idiocity..." ANSWER: We now believe people who pray for our death. |
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ejdavid
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Daniel - You wrote: "We ... lost 106 innocent{s} ... 20 tank crews ... the lebanese ... 1000 souls. Why? Four kidnapped soldiers..."
ANSWER: Israel is reponsible for its own military policies. Accordingly, if you wish to parlay with Hezzi Genocidal Maniacs, be my quest. However, from my distance, Islamic maniacs infest the entire region. The Hezzi guy says he made a mistake, and won't do it again. If over reaction is what it takes, then THAT is what it takes. Furthermore, your arguement is not informed by American quarantees. If you want to parly with maniacs, rather then confront them, perhaps you should do it on your own dime. Savvy? |
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Daniel Dworsky
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You asked a question. I answered as an informed person living in the middle
of this last war zone. Regarding Genocidal Maniacs: The Hezbullah were more accurate and less collaterally messy qualitatively regarding their targeting. Every Israeli knows that. We don't generally talk about it but we all think about it. This was not a fight for our survival. This was a reaction running off half cocked ill prepared overly confident and for all the wrong reasons that one usually attributes to american politicians sending poor people off to die for poll ratings. |
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ejdavid
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Daniel
Good for you. The next time Isreali subsidy issues come up, I will forward your analysis to both of my Senators and my Representative. Best Regards, EJ PS: I believe we can confront maniac Islam without you. You seem to believe you can confront maniac Islam without us. So. We are at an economic agreement. YOU separate from the Palestinians [I suggested wall ten years ago], and perhaps EYE recommend a separation from you. Sound Fair and Balanced? Edited by ejdavid |
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