JE SUIS CHARLIE

Holocaust is a historical fact, deniers do this with obvious intentions. Historically it is also a  heavy weight which is sometimes difficult to handle, especially for the Germans.

I do admit that there is only a thin borderline between the two but this is also where culture and history comes in.

Many non-Muslims consider Mohamed as a merely historical person and even as a rather shady one (like it or not). Honestly, would you get excited about somebody taking the mickey out of  Xerxes ?

You reserve yourself the right to say: "My prophet is great !"
I reserve for  myself (and others) the right to say "Pff !" on this subject.
Is this a good reason to kill me (or you) ?

and for the Queen: Ask the English


Airmano


Edited by airmano - 21 January 2015 at 1:46pm

Abu Loren wrote: Isn't it amazing that the US drones kills hundreds of people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen etc on a daily basis and then a white European is killed and the whole world is up in arms?Yes it truly is amazing.

I see, no response, just a side-step.
I'll take that as significant.

Personally I consider US (and secondarily UK) military policy in the middle east in the last twenty years to have been ill-conceived and a disaster.
The biggest protests ever seen in the UK were against the invasion of Iraq "the second gulf war" (how did you feel about the first one, by the way?)

The drones?   Controversial, but understandable.
An asymmetrical response to asymmetrical warfare.

Hundreds a day?   I'd need a source on that. You seem almost to be falling for your own propaganda. Dangerous, that.
A recent proposal that 95% of the victims of Islamic extremist attacks were actually Muslims got some critical critical examination as it seemed overdone. The conclusion was that 95% was not impossible and that 90% was quite likely. People who consider themselves Muslims killing people who consider themselves Muslims.
Focussing on "the west" is missing the biggest part of the current problem. Syria, Libya, Iraq, Pakistan...
That one or both sides of any particular clash might consider the other "not truly Islamic" is part of the problem, not some sort of solution or way to dismiss what is happening. There is hardly a shortage of sincerity on every side. Being confident (yes, up to and including utterly certain) and being sincere, separately or together are no reliable assurance of being right, though subjectively they are often taken to be.
That's a tragedy.

As a Muslim:

1) I am offended by insults to Prophet Mohammad or any other Prophet.
2) I am more offended by the murder of innocent people (including a Muslim policeman), in the name of Islam.

I AM NOT CHARLIE, nor do I stand with the magazine. However, I do stand for their right to free speech, even if it offends me.

Ron Webb wrote: honeto wrote: We all know that "Freedom of Speech" argument in the cartoon case is not true. In 2009 the same publishing company fired a cartoonist who offended Jews with a cartoon they considered anti-Semitic. Fired.� Not murdered. Killings are unjustified but so are the insults. Why you cannot question or deny holocaust in many of the countries talking loudly about freedom of speech? Because it's a lie.� Freedom of speech does not include the freedom to tell lies. Why you cannot insult the queen or the royal family in UK? You can.� I see silly cartoons featuring the queen all the time.

Ron,

here is my response to what you answered:

1- Fired not murdered.
Correct, and I agree that murder was wrong and unjustified and I stated that. Now, how come a cartoonist who insults Jews get fired as a punishment so no one will repeat such a mistake. While the one who insults Muslims does not get fired, instead get a pat on the back to say the least.

2- In answer to my comment that it is a crime to question or deny the holocaust you said: "Because it's a lie. Freedom of speech does not include the freedom to tell lies." I am not sure what you mean that it is a lie? Let me get this straight, a group of people who in order to get a better understanding, want to investigate or look deeper into the history of holocaust, you are calling it "a lie"?
It is like making investigation or further study of the Kennedy murder case illegal! You know that is a shame. People study all sorts of past world events to know better the facts. Why is this one off limit? Is there anything that worries them that might come out to be different than what the world has been told? I cannot believe it is coming out of your mouth Ron.
3-On the Queen and Royal family insults, I could not get a verification of my claim, but did the Royal family not sue the newspaper that published Kate's topless photos?
Hasan